Update: I will probably be losing my Lap Band

Did I say that I know you?? I'm from Australia so I never would have said that?

I had other medical issues as well as the hernia like pain and reflux. And with the WELL KNOWN issues of the 4ml band, my new surgeon decided to take that old band out, and place the new one in.

Since then no pain issues, no reflux, small but consistent weight loss, but I experience DUMPING, which has been diagnosed by my surgeon, not you as you are not a professional no matter what you make out on here. so don't PERIOD me as you know nothing.. DUMPING can happen to anyone regardless of which type of surgery, or in your case out of your mouth

I am sorry to hear about your issues, but you are not making any type of sense.....

You mentioned that I was posting "misinformation" but you can't clarify what "misinformation" that i am posting...lol...

AGAIN...the Lap band DOES NOT CAUSE DUMPING SYNDROME....period

I don't know your medical history, you may have hypoglycemia, which IS similar to dumping syndrome which HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAP BAND or any weight loss surgery. Many diabetics develop hypoglycemia and dumping syndrome also.

But MANY develop hypoglycemia AFTER the Sleeve and gastric bypass surgery.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hypoglycemia/DS00198/DSECTION=symptoms


And of course your surgeon took the old 4cc band out when you had your hernia, just AS I've already mentioned IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REPAIR A hiatal hernia with the older 4cc bands without first removing it since they DO NOT UNBUCKLE like the newer bands do, it will be very complex to do that and keep the same band functioning properly. Hopefully you can understand that.  

jesus christ i'm telling you they do unbuckle, as my surgeon has told me numerous times!!

I DO NOT HAVE DIABETIES or any other medical condition, but you keep blabbering on as you won't take no for an answer!! I know that having a sleeve or Bypass also causes dumping, I did say ALL surgeries....

this IS the misinformation that i'm talking about. I wish I kept the bluddy thing so I could show you. My surgeon only replaced the band as he wanted to improve my relux and pain issues, both he and the registrar unclipped and reclipped the band numerous times as well as tested all the tubing and port etc..

I'm sure you would have seen the band in the early stages of researching your lapband, where they give you a sample to play with etc and my old surgeon even unclipped it then to demonstrate how "REVERSABLE" they were!!! So again your information is misleading.. Maybe you need to use works like MAYBE or MINE but not everyones's, so that you don't give people the wrong messages.

Imagine for just a moment that a newbie reads your posts and makes a decision based on your long posts with research with a massive "30" people to get statistics from.

You do realise that it's unrealisic research using small numbers don't you??

You are correct, I have NO IDEA of your medical condition...BUT THE LAP BAND DOES NOT CAUSING DUMPING....END OF STORY and I WILL NOT respond any more to your nonesense.

Please clarify? Are you saying BOTH 4cc and AP bands unbuckle? or Only the AP band unbuckle? SURE ALL BANDS both OLD AND NEW WILL UNBUCKLE to some degree,....but the newer AP bands ARE DESIGNED BETTER to UNBUCKLE without damaging the entire ballon and band system. This is WHY if surgeons TAKE THE OLDER BANDS OUT and replace them with the newer bands if patients suffer complications whether it be hernia/slippage or erosion.


ALSO based on this chart as my band surgeon indicated ...patients LOST MORE WEIGHT  MORE QUICKLY OVERALL WITH THE SMALLER BANDS THAN THE LARGER BANDS....BELOW IS A CHART OF COMPARISONS...The research shows the small band loses more weight the first year ,not even in two years does the big band catch up.  I have THE 4CC/10CM BAND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE CHART BELOW  WHICH PRODUCED MORE WEIGHT LOSS THAN ANY OF THE BANDS...

THIS IS WHY MY SURGEON TOLD ME I "MAY NOT LIKE THE NEW AP BAND"...I EXPERIENCED THE SAME WEIGHT LOSS AND MORE THAN A TYPICAL BYPASS PATIENT 130 POUNDS QUCKLY...ASK BETTE B. WHO LOST OVER 200 POUNDS WITH HER 4CC/10CM BAND.....SHE CAN LET YOU KNOW THE DIFFERERNCE AS WELL....AND SHE IS NOT AS HAPPY WITH HER NEW AP BAND ALSO....THIS DOES NOT SAY THAT YOU CAN'T LOSE A LOT OF WEIGHT WITH THE AP BAND  ...THEY ARE JUST DIFFERENT...

Comparisons of the bands -- I have the OLD model from 2001

Edited by Bamagal, February 21, 2009 - 5:29 PM.

Manufacturer	Allergan	Ethicon Endo-Surgery, a division of Johnson & Johnson
Developed/First Used	1993 in Belgium	1985 in Sweden
Date First Marketed Outside USA	1994	1996
US Clinical Trials	Started in 1995	Started in 2003
Date Approved By US FDA	June 2001	September 2007
Surgery Method	Laparoscopic	Laparoscopic
Versions	The most current version is the LAP-BAND Advanced platform (AP) System, a new and improved version of the older LAP-BAND Systems. Three generations of improvements: 2007 - The LAP-BAND AP System 2004 - The LAP-BAND VG System 2001 - The 9.75/10 LAP-BAND System	The REALIZE Band is based on the technology of the Swedish Adjustable Gastric Band (SAGB), the original soft, low-pressure balloon design, with improvements to the gastric band locking mechanism and injection port technology. Three generations of improvements: 2009 - REALIZE Band-C 2007 - REALIZE Band 1996 - SAGB (Outside US)
Gastric Band	LAP BAND AP 360° fill capacity Soft and molded (pre-curved) 7 baffles (mini reservoirs) Low pressure Basal volume of 3-4cc's LAP BAND VG 280-300° fill capacity 6 baffles (mini reservoirs) LAP BAND 9.75/10 260-280° fill capacity One single inner ring	REALIZE Band 360° fill capacity One smooth inner balloon High-volume/Low-pressure REALIZE Band-C Launched April 2009 - Same technology as REALIZE Band but with streamlined design and an expanded adjustment range to accommodate larger patients. Width of 23mm
Product Features	Silicone elastomer structure and patented Omniform technology (soft, precurved, individual pillow-like sections); kink-resistant tubing.	Strong, flexible silicone structure with a wide and soft inner balloon; puncture-resistant protection near tubing connection; REALIZE injection port and port anchoring system.
Band Sizes	AP Standard AP Large	Both the REALIZE Band and REALIZE Band-C are One Size Fits All
Adjustable	Yes	Yes
Fill Volume	AP Standard, 10cc AP Large, 14cc VG, 10cc 9.75/10, 4cc	REALIZE Band 9cc REALIZE Band-C 11cc
Access Port	Two access ports: Standard (14.7 mm) and Low-profile (11.9 mm) Port anchored with stitches and/or mesh to muscle wall	Low-profile (1/2" or 11.6mm) Self-clamping system attaches port to muscle wall
Adjustment Method	Saline added/removed with special needle via port	Saline added/removed with special needle via port
First Adjustment	4-6 weeks after surgery	4-6 weeks after surgery
Approximate Adjustments	5-8, first two years	Average of 4, first year Average of 2, second year Average of 2, third year
Weight Loss	At 1 year: 40-50% excess weight loss At 5 years: 55% excess weight loss	At 3 years: 83% of patients lost 42.8% of their excess weight 35% of patients lost 50% of their excess weight 10.5% of patients lost 75% or more of their excess weight

it's not the end of story as it's true and you are not the be all and end all of what is right or wrong. How DARE you act like this.. do you own the lapband?? my god I cannot belive how you act when anyone challenges your outrageous comments.. you def have a screw loose somewhere.

and it was you that has stated quote:

The older 4cc bands DO NOT UNBUCKLE, I think my surgeon who has placed thousands of bands should know what he is doing....I do not have the time or interest in posting the different types of bands. Also I have no interest in going ouside of the country to get an older substandard lap band.

I do not need charts, my own body is dumping with the band. I didn't with the 4cc band. So unless I developed a MYSTERY medical condition in the hernia repair operation, I would say that I HAVE DUMPING WITH THE BAND :-) I don't know why you take issue with this?? Am i not allowed to, does it affect your little cut and pasting research?? do I affect the figures OH MY nooooooo

I actually ran into a lady at my doctor's office last week.  She's pre-op and was considering not having surgery because of the things she has been reading here!  I felt really bad for her.  She was beside herself.  Another lady and I tried to reassure her. 

As for dumping, many of the people in my band group, myself included, experience a type of dumping.  The nut said that when people follow a good eating plan to a t, their body gets used to having good, healthy food.  When they eat something sugary or high carb their body is rejecting it.  I take it as my sign that I'm not being as diligent as I could be. So yes, I would say the band causes my dumping.  Is it the band itself that causes the dumping, or the good eating habits it assists with?  I don't know, but either way at the end of the day, if I didn't have my band I wouldn't have an issue when I slip and eat crap.  Good incentive to stay away from that crap.

I hope we can move back to supporting one another and not scaring the living daylights out of newbies.  This nonsense of false proclomations has to stop.  I'd hate to think were I'd be today if someone had scared me so much that I backed out of my surgery.

Wendy

Wendy, the last thing I would want to do is scare someone, but my issue is with the overload of incorrect information being posted here.

Dumping is terrible, as is the pain or damage caused by a hernia, slippage, erosion etc but ALL these issues need to be told to newbies, so they can go into their surgery "eyes open". I wish someone had done the same for me back in 2006. It is a completely different experience than to what I was sold.

NanaB makes us feel like failures if we even mention problems, but now it's her turn to "fail" and suddenly all is ok, and it's not her fault,blah blah. She has driven alot away from this forum and I think that sucks big time.. No matter what surgery type a person chooses, they should be supported, as we all start at the same spot, obese! Eveyone is different, not one size fits all, and we all start off as newbies, and it's a big learning curve, still!

I'm so sorry Mel, I didn't mean to imply that you were scaring anyone.  I was agreeing with you about the overabundance of wrong information that's being posted here.  That's what's scaring some of the newbies.  The lady we talked to in the doctor's office had some information that was totally wrong and off the wall.  That's what I was referring to, things like studies with just a handful of people.  I totally agree that everyone has to have their eyes open going into any procedure

Again, I'm sorry I implied your were scaring anyone.  That was not my intent.  I was referring to NanaB's misinformation.

Wendy

haha that's fine Wendy, I think I may do a study on how many people get the wrong info through this woman, now that would be a big study!!

Wendy....I guess you and the other poster "Mel" need to talk to health care professionals and surgeons regarding dumping syndrome with your lap band. If you do a simple google search on the internet, you can find a couple of people that don't seem to be very knowledgeable about the band suggesting that they too experienced "dumping" with their bands, it's obvious they have no clue of what they are talking about...

There are NO publications or cited materials from the NIH (National Institute of Health) regarding the lap band that suggest it causes dumping syndrome. But you will FIND MANY studies that find RNY and the Sleeve causes dumping syndrome, if you just google dumping syndrome and other weight loss surgeries I doubt you will find ANY CREDIBLE CITED information about the lap band causes dumping syndrome.

If you are ABLE to post here a study that suggest the lap band causes dumping, I will give you my sincere apology about "misinforming potential newbies"....

As a matter of FACT, doctors advertise the lap band as one of the PROS of NO DUMPING SYNDROME. I would THINK people can actually SUE surgeons if they are MISLEADING patients about potential life changing adverse side effects such as dumping syndrome.

Again....as this website suggest although not cited...but credible ....the band does not cause dumping...it could be SOMETHING ELSE going on with your body....


You and Mel should do a litte research on banding, I thought most people had done their research banding PRIOR TO SURGERY.

http://www.onlinesurgery.com/article/five-reasons-to-choose- lapband-surgery-1.html


 

3. The Lap-Band System Does Not Cause Dumping Syndrome

Nausea, stomach cramps and weakness can occur, along with vomiting and dizziness, as a result of undigested foods flowing into the lower intestine too fast. Most of the time, the overly concentrated foods move through because of an intolerance to sugars and various carbohydrates. This overabundance of undigested foods proceeding through the GI tract in this manner is known as Dumping Syndrome. It happens often after undergoing gastric bypass surgery. Fortunately, this does not take place with the LAP-BAND ® System, however, it is a good idea to refrain from consuming high sugar foods to see optimum results for weight loss and overall health. 

Read more: http://www.onlinesurgery.com/article/five-reasons-to-choose- lapband-surgery-1.html#ixzz2A5MFVXWq