Is Gastric Banding a better choice for those who have less to lose?

I'm not Nicci, but some of us that now have insurance still can't get a revision covered, because there is a clause that states "one WLS per lifetime". Even if you self paid for it.

Sneaky insurance *******s come up with new ways to weasel out of paying every day.

 
Yep, they sure darn do.

But., you know who you have to blame?  Those people that get a surgery type knowing full well it isn't going to work per stats and they say... if this doesn't work i'll revise to 'x' surgery.

Those are who you have to blame.  Ins co's don't want to keep paying until someone figures out which surgery type they want.  No, until which surgery type they need.

Now they are stuck with what they have, as is everyone else.  Sad story.

Welcome to the world of self pay, I've done it twice.  Once for a band and once for a revision to a sleeve.

Yep. It stinks, too!

Choose wisely the first time or you're screwed.

The band seems to be the latest whipping boy around here. I have a band & yeah I have had a some complications. No,  the band is not for everyone. I had great luck with the first band until a trip to Europe caused it to slip- don't let anyone tell you that a bubble in the band can not expand because of altitude- ever watch what happens top a chip bag in flight?   It does work well for some people & not for others, it does not cure bad habits, but it does make it easier to diet.  As for fills- some people have one or two fills & are good for a year or two. Others (like me) have had to have many. many fills. I know I am not typical. I eat solid food all the time. I hardly ever PB. I have finally learned what it means to chew your food enough. You are done chewing when your food is liquefied. One should do that whether you have a band or not. Talk to your doctor about the positives & negatives or all the WLS you are considering. Look at actual studies, not just the cheer leaders for this or that surgery. Look on line for actual studies which look at WLS. Lastly, ask questions in the different forums from the people who have been successful with their choice. Don't rely on advise from people who are trashing a surgery that they have not had (they are supporting their choice of WLS) or those who have had a revision (they have had a bad experience that can effect their opinions.)
 I have a friend who has the lap-band and 2 years out, supported her daughter to get one too.
30% of WLS patients are not successful no matter what WLS they choose (with the possible exception of DS but it has it's own issues). 
Good luck in making the best decision for you.

 
~~Lastly, ask questions in the different forums from the people who have been successful with their choice. Don't rely on advise from people who are trashing a surgery that they have not had (they are supporting their choice of WLS) or those who have had a revision (they have had a bad experience that can effect their opinions.)~~

Whoa, wait a minute!  So people should just listen to the cheerleaders and ignore the majority, those that actually experienced the band sometimes for years and years?  So those that got to goal with the band but lost it anyway should be dismissed?  What in the world make your experiences more valid than mine?  How are your views less colored than mine?

If this isn't the worst advice I have ever read, I don't know what is.

Most of those that had a band and lost it through no fault of their own are the ones WITH the stats and studies.  We are the ones posting them constantly for the mere purpose that people can make truly informed decisions.


Lap band success stats are inflated merely by decreasing the required weight loss to be successful.  If a banded person loses a mere 40% of their EXCESS weight they are considered a success.  That still leaves them morbidly obese.  The other surgery types have higher weight loss % requirements to be successful.  That is sheer manipulation of numbers to put the band in a better light.  So that throws out your silly claim that 30% of all WLS types except DS fail.  And btw, just for your info, 2-3% of DSers fail.

When I was looking to have a revision I already knew about the surgery types.  My next step was to go out looking for those with complications and problems.  Not just the 2 month post op cheerleaders.  Or the 1 year post op cheerleaders.  They haven't even had the surgery type long enough to statistically have serious complications.  I wanted to know what could happen, what is possible, what to look for, how does it affect their quality of life, was it fixable.  I damn sure didn't want puppy dogs and roses inserted in my bottom.  I wanted real life personal experiences and for you to suggest that others not do this is nothing short of shameful to those researching.

I have a ton of friends that have/had bands.  All but two have had them removed and revised to something else and 2 can't afford it and live in misery sleeping in chairs because like many a few years post op, they can't lay flat anymore with an empty band due to horrific reflux and esophageal problems.  And you, you boast of having a friend that suggested her daughter get a band.

Bleh.

You know what I think would be cool?  If there was a study based on certain regions of the country- or  the world for that matter.   I wonder if specific surgeons or facilities have better or worse success rates? 

Does anyone have stats like that?

Also, I'll be honest, I don't read all the articles and statistics, so I don't really know what constitutes a complication.  There are things that I know without a doubt are complications like a port infection, a slipped band,  or hernia-- but what else?  Pain?  Frustration of not being able to eat certain foods? 

This gets curiouser and curiouser....

CC I'm very involved in the WLS community. From what I have observed...........the high failure rate is pretty much across the board. Yes a bad surgeon will have a higher failure rate, but I am seeing high failure rates in the good surgeons also.

My Dr. did his residency at the Mayo clinic. Excellent reputation. My band never worked. One of the bariatric surgeons in Atl. that was voted the top bariatric surgeon in here used to do a LOT of bands. Now at his informational seminar he doesn't even mention the band when he discusses WLS choices. Many Drs. are now refusing to even do the band. That's why band sales are way down over the last yr. or 2.

Why do you think many Drs. are refusing to do the band when it is such an easy procedure???

You make great points--as usual!  Not only are you funny, but your smart too! 

Actually band compllications are extremely under-reported, so I would love to see some accurate band stats!

Here's a list of some band complications:

NO RESTRICTION
SLIP
LEAK
PORT FLIPS
EROSION
ESOPHAGEAL DYSMOTILITY
BARRETT'S ESOPHAGUS
DIALATED ESOPHAGUS
ECHALASIA
LEFT REFERRING SHOULDER PAIN
PULMONARY PROBLEMS
HH
COUGH
REFLUX
LIVER DAMAGE

That's just what I can think of off hand.

And as far as curiouser and curiouser.........how the band performs can vary from minute to minute! I call mine a psych band. Know anyone who is bi-polar? Well that's what the band reminds me of, lol. It's just not consistant. Like maybe for lunch you have a stead or chicken and it goes down with no problem at all............then a few hrs. later you try a yogurt and it gets stuck. There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to why the band does what it does at times. Very unpredictable.

And I think one of the most interesting things about the band is......someone can have a band........get restriction right away............lose a LOT of weight..........then have a slip. They did awesome with the band initially, so they get another one. Then a lot of times on the 2nd one they have no luck at all! NO restriction. Fill/unfill/fill/unfill/fill/unfill/etc. Perplexing how that happens, and very sad for the individual that it happens to b/c they of course went into that 2nd surgery expecting it to work as the first one did since they are using the same band rules to work with the band! :-(

Ahhhhh... I just wrote out a long reply and stupid OH software blanked out and made it disappear.

I'm going to make this one shorter.

In a nutshell there are stats and studies throughout the world.  Europe was probably one of the first countries to say yes to the band.  Now that the studies are older they are getting away from banding and going to sleeves.

Chile is not doing banding anymore as a whole.  They have opted for sleeves.  It won't work, they make HUGE sleeves so their people will lose well but the regain will be very significant.

Australia has socialized medicine and it was going bankrupt.  They decided to tackle the problem of obesity wih bands.  It didn't work, the cost of the complications was just as significant as the cost of obesity complications.  Now they had BOTH costs.

Germany is still up in the air, they are checking and rechecking their numbers and last I heard had not made a decision.  I'll have to look that up.

Mexico was approved to place bands in 1991, the US in 2001.  The MX surgeons kept saying sleeves were the way to go but Allergan convinced doctors bands were safer.  US doctors believed the advertising instead of the experience of the surgeons in MX.  Now they are finding it isn't so great afterall.  MANY doctors have stopped placing them and the ASMBS doesn't have great things to say about it either.