I am THINKING ABOUT A REVISION at 6 years

isn't is - isn't funny to ya?

i'm good w/my kind of funny - thanks ~~

On June 18, 2011 at 8:52 PM Pacific Time, dakota80 wrote: On June 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM Pacific Time, ~~Nana ~. wrote: You can get scientific all you want...it's not about size here ...it's ALL ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE...also at 5'8 inches tall *I* would look skeletal......to each its own.

Edited to Add: Don't even try to correct my spelling on Obesity Help...yanno...that's irrelevant and very childish on a busy forum to even point that out, I am a highly educated software engineer with a BS in Computer Science and I could care less how I spell on this forum, I wear glasses and I don't have them on and as long as you can comprehend and read through the lines that should be enough..... 

I think it's actually dangerous to even suggest the DS is safer than the band...if it was a MIRACLE SURGERY AS YOU SUGGEST...people would be lined up and surgeons would be performing it in droves...I hope people are not stupid enough to fall for that. My emphasis was health, not size (read and re-read my post please). 
Improved health = improved quality of life.

My secondary intention was to ensure readers are aware of your fundamental lack of knowledge regarding the different procedures and outcomes. 
Unfortunately, you appear to be the Queen of Wrong. 

Quality of life with the band is inferior to all other procedures and I suspect it is also inferior to the quality of life of non-surgical weight-loss patients. 

Another "scientific" piece of information for you. 

You have the right to your own opinion, but you do not have the right to post lies all over this web site. Bariatric surgery is a life-saving decision for many and if you want to misinform pre-op patients then I will gladly educate them on your behalf. :) 

Evaluation of Health Status and Quality of Life after Bariatric Surgery: Comprarison of the BYPASS and BAND. 

Background:
This study is a trial to compare the effects and outcomes of three different bariatric procedures performed in two centers. Standard Roux-en-Y gastric bypass was performed by Dr. Norman Samuels in Fort Lauderdale (Florida); vertical banded gastroplasty and laparoscopic adjustable silicone gastric banding were done in Hallein (Salzburg) by Dr. Emanuel Hell and Dr. Karl Miller.

Methods:
In a prospective comparative study 30 matched patients from each group were followed to assess post-operative improvement in health status and quality of life, to compare the three different techniques. The Bariatric Analysis and Reporting Outcome System (BAROS) as described by Oria and Moorehead has been used for evaluation.

Results:
The observation time was at least 3 years (3 to 8 years) in each individual case. A significant increase in quality of life and health status in 75% of the surgically-treated patients was observed when compared with a non-operated control group of morbidly obese patients.

Conclusions:
By utilizing BAROS it has been found possible to compare the results of different procedures done by different surgeons with different techniques, utilizing patients from different cultures and with different languages. The results of this comparative study favor the standard gastric bypass for the treatment of morbid obesity.This operation is superior to purely gastric restrictive procedures in weight loss and improvement of quality of life.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/d48227x14j1r8076/

The Golden Band Rules:
Waiti to drink 1 hour before and 1 hour after each meal as well as avoiding soft, mushy liquidy foods....
oh, and I just realized why you hate pills so much!
It's because you can't swallow pills anymore!!
I'd hate pills too if I had to crush or chew all of my vits/mins and medications. Don't chew your food too fast and make sure you chew each piece of food 30 times!! Otherwise, it could get stuck and you could vomit. EEEEKKK  - you should probably google pouch dilation and band slippage (search "images"). 

http://www.chirurgie-digestive.com/images/20040221015038.jpeg
^^^^^^Now that is scary!  I swallow pills just fine thank you.  Quality of life with the band is inferior?  By who's standards?  We all have to decide what limitations we can live with.  I'm satisfied with my choice, and will try to never tell someone that their choice was a bad one.

I was a member of your "Nutrition Matters" group on facebook, and while there, one of your other members posted something about a "crapband".  

I posted on that same thread asking that people be supportive of each other no matter what surgery they had and I was shot down thoroughly.  The member got very defensive, and said no one was going to tell her not to try to get the lapband surgery prohibited.   That was not my intent, my intent was that everyone should be supported.. no matter what their choice of surgery. 

And I felt you supported the member disparaging the lapband rather than encouraging support for all WLS choices.  Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my perception.

While the DS is obviously not my choice, I'd try very hard not to disparage someone for making that choice for theirselves.  I'm sure I'm not perfect and have probably said hurtful things in the past, but hope I will always be a big enough person to apologize.

While your information is good, I've since removed myself from the group.  I don't need someone to tell me my choice was crap.

Have a great day.

 I can't agree with you more. You will never hear me call the band a "crap band."  I do not disparage anyone's personal decision and I did not agree with that statement and felt that I tried to soften the topic/change the topic as I could. I am sorry if you felt that my response was anything other than an attempt to mediate between parties without offending anyone. It is a challenging position. However, I didn't make the comment nor is it a reflection of my personal beliefs.  I can't apologize for anyone other than myself, but I can assure you, I am supportive of whatever procedure works best for the individual. I'm sorry that happened. :(  YOU HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB with the band and I applaud you. :))))) I simply posted the articles below to provide raw data - however, there are outliers in every population and you are certainly that. :) 

Here you go again *sigh*. No one freakin cares if you have a BS in computer science. You act like because of your education in IT you know it all.

Bless your heart. Your degree doesn't quantify or qualify your ignorance about other, MUCH more long-term success of the WLS that gives people that BEST chances to keep the weight off and put comorbidities in remission. Nor, does your comments benefit anyone searching or researching for scientist data on any WLS.

Put the scientific reviews, the TRUE data out here and let's stack up what surgeries are superior to the choke chain.

Loosen that one on your brain, it's causing major oxygen deprivation of your pea size knowledge.

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I am a highly educated software engineer with a BS in Computer Science

Seriously? You are going to pull that out again? Especially after you once posted that you were afraid of catching AIDS from a computer keyboard that another individual used?

 WOWWWW! I want to start off by saying, I'm new to this forum and I have not been banded yet. At this point I think I may delete my account from this website because God forbid I say something that steps on someone's toes, I'll be crucified for having an opinion. It's so funny when I told my surgeon's office that I had joined a forum for WLS, I was told to steer clear because it's nothing but a playground of negative and disgruntled people. Now, I see exactly what she means. It's bad enough we have to deal with people that are against wls but to come here and think you will have find support and understanding so far after this is a joke. 

I was not offended at ALL by the post. Just like there are people on here that  have had complications and been unsatisfied with the band, the same can happen with ANY surgery.Everyones experience is different and again, ONE SURGERY IS NOT BETTER THAN THE NEXT! I don't care whether you have the band, DS, Gastric or whatever. I think the surgery you choose to do is a personal decision for you. When I read people that have had complications with their bands and they go on and on how the band was the biggest mistake...Don't you guys think that's negative? I do! As a matter of fact, I kind of take it as a grain of salt cause how do I know you followed your surgeon's guidelines to the letter? 

I did not see that she was spreading false information, nothing different from when I read the bashing of the band on the Lap band forum. I was taught to research whatever you read. 

"ONE SURGERY IS NOT BETTER THAN THE NEXT! "

You are entirely correct---because "BETTER" is a purely subjective quantity. Ask a group of people which flavor of ice cream is "better", and each answer is equally valid. There's just no way to do a scientific study to validate the responses.

That said, we CAN scientifically evaluate which form of WLS is more EFFECTIVE at causing long-term, maintained weight loss, which one is more EFFECTIVE at resolving diabetes, which one is more EFFECTIVE at lowering cholesterol, etc.

"I think the surgery you choose to do is a personal decision for you."

Absolutely! It's your decision, and YOU are the only one who will have to live with the consequences, good or bad. Don't you think it's a good idea to research all your options, and get the facts behind the good AND the bad? Do you think it's a good idea to base your decision on falsehoods?

"When I read people that have had complications with their bands and they go on and on how the band was the biggest mistake...Don't you guys think that's negative?"

Again---is it really "negative" to warm pre-ops of potential outcomes? A LOT of those people are justifiably angry because when THEY were researching all they read were the positives.

"I did not see that she was spreading false information, nothing different from when I read the bashing of the band on the Lap band forum. I was taught to research whatever you read."

If you don't see any "false information" in her post, then you simply have NOT done enough research. Please go and "research whatever you read."

 I should rephrased my statement to say, I see her statement no different than some of the misconceptions or half truths that anyone may read on the internet or forums. Just like we read false information on the internet or on forums, I would like to believe people would research and speak to their surgeon and other qualified medical individuals who have vast amount of information on the wls. When I made the decision to have the band I read the ups and downs of the band, wrote the statements that were of interest to me and brought them to my surgeon and his staff who all have had various wls. I've wanted this surgery for four years and have done tons of research on this issue.
  

Hi Supadiva,

Read the Revisions forum. Seriously, please read it and then come back and say that one surgery isn't better than the next.  If you research and STILL decide to have the band, more power to you.

I can tell you that my experience with it was hellish... and you'll find hundreds of others who will tell you the same thing. It might be negative,  but if it's the truth, it's the truth.  It might be "negative" to tell someone that their house is on fire... but I'd still do it.

Best of luck to you with whatever you choose, sincerely. I hope you'll reconsider the band, honestly.

I can appreciate that if you are in the midst of getting the band, you might be offended by the responses, etc.  As someone here in Houston with a band and having all the problems and zero weight loss, please think really hard about the band surgery.  In any event, I wish you the best.