I am THINKING ABOUT A REVISION at 6 years
As a Pre-Op I find yout post offensive, illinformed and just plain ******g rude.
So you think that pre-ops don't have brains? Do you think because I chose the DS that I haven't reviewed my options? Although your facts aren't accurate let's say they are, I'd rather take 100 vitmins a day than have some foreign object in my body that is likely to fail. I weigh 360lbs, please tell me how the band could help me, even a little bit?
Trust me, as a pre-op you didn't give me something to think about, or even come close to swaying my opinion. Infact you gave me one more reason NOT to have a band.
I can't even say I'm glad the band worked for you because obviously it's cutting off the nutrients to your brain.
So you think that pre-ops don't have brains? Do you think because I chose the DS that I haven't reviewed my options? Although your facts aren't accurate let's say they are, I'd rather take 100 vitmins a day than have some foreign object in my body that is likely to fail. I weigh 360lbs, please tell me how the band could help me, even a little bit?
Trust me, as a pre-op you didn't give me something to think about, or even come close to swaying my opinion. Infact you gave me one more reason NOT to have a band.
I can't even say I'm glad the band worked for you because obviously it's cutting off the nutrients to your brain.
On June 18, 2011 at 7:04 AM Pacific Time, ~~Nana ~. wrote:
Since my insurance covers bariatric surgery and pays 100 percent for ANY type I think I want to get a revision since I have the lap band and it is easy to remove, I get the luxury to pick and choose at my pleasure
Let's see....which one should I choose?
Let's start off with RNY - I could still stand to lose a few more pound on my 5'8 frame and go from a size 12 down to a skeletal 2 or 0....not sure if hubby would like hold onto bones, but hey I would be rocking 0's
....but now I would have to worry about loading up on vitamins FOR LIFE something I barely take with my band at 6 years and I am still healthy (thank god) and also worry about bowel issues, risks of malnutrition, a high risk of not able to enjoy my daily chocolate at work or my evening ice cream sandwiches or splitting a yummy desert with hubby eating out weekly....NAH...I think I will pass on RNY too many eating restrictions.Let's look at the Sleeve - Hmmm.. The Sleeve looks like a great option, it's similar to the band sort of....I think the Sleeve have MORE eating restrictions than the band does based on several people having mild "dumping" episodes just like RNY, and you have to be a little bit more stricter than the band with a vitamin regimen but not as strict as RNY.....Now if I revised over to the Sleeve where would that put me weight wise....I am currently a size 12 so I think the Sleeve would give me about 50 more pounds and that would probably put me easily put into as size 4/6...BUT what would happen to me in the NEXT 6 years with the Sleeve? That is the big question mark...there are a lot of unknowns with the Sleeve regarding removing the Stomach and it's long term heath impact on the body and based on studies that I've read it WILL STRETCH enough for significant weight gain if you are not a serious dieter and the grehlen levels wears off in 2-3 years and then I will back to scare ONE WITH NO TOOL to help me and risk gaining all my weight sounds scary
...SO NAH...I'll pass on the Sleeve.....Let's look at the BIG BOY of weight loss surgeries the DS -- OK...Many surgeons will not even perform this surgery since it's so dangerous, the DS puts the patient in critical condition and the patient will ALWAYS have to chase their Labs to stay healthy and alive, and they MUST eat TONS of proteins and have a vitamin regimen that most drug addicts can't keep up with, I shudder at the thought of having to rely on taking about 50-100 pills EVERY SINGLE DAY for the rest of my life about 5 times a day, gee...I would not have time to work, have sex, or vacation with that rigorous vitamin regime.. and don't even talk about the horrific gas/bowel movement that would clear a building if they dare eat carbs ...so most DSr have to eat tons of protein to stay alive EVERY SINGLE DAY for the rest of their lives (talking about a strict diet) just to keep the poo smell in check .
.... I can't envision myself in my 70s and 80s having to chow down tons of protein,...hell at that age how would I remember to take all those vitamins 5 times a day and risk early osteoporosis
.......Absolutely NO thank you.So ................I guess until they find a weight loss surgery where I can eat sweets with no consequences/ lose tons of weight with little to no exercise, no complication risks....then it's NO REVISION surgery for me ....it's me and my little fickle friend "suzie"
that's my bands name...she keeps me in check and let's me eat what I want and keep me in my size 12s with little to no effort at 6 years.Enjoy your day
...Hubby and I are off to enjoy a Swinetastic BBQ Festival today, I will be doing my sampling of tasting different foods...so glad my band allows me to eat normally with no restrictions just getting full quick..but sometimes I have to admit I overeat on occasions like this and the only consequence is getting stuffed or slime if I eat bread...gotta avoid the bread and chow down on juicy rib meat
Let's just face one thing: You're a fuking idiot. Period!
Edited to Add: You seem like a sincerely nice person...unusual for a DSr, I honestly wish you well with it; and I hope you have an uneventful journey and a very fulfilling life.
Eureka! A new personality theory! I can't figure out why you haven't been published in all the Psychology journals..
Please finish so we unenlightened ones know what surgery to get. So people who generally aren't nice get the DS, what surgery do the apathetic people get, and I suppose the nice people get the band. Is this correct according to your observations?
Eureka! A new personality theory! I can't figure out why you haven't been published in all the Psychology journals..
Please finish so we unenlightened ones know what surgery to get. So people who generally aren't nice get the DS, what surgery do the apathetic people get, and I suppose the nice people get the band. Is this correct according to your observations?
When push comes to shove....shove hard!
Never regret anything, because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
Never regret anything, because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
Your post isn't offensive - it is however, very ignorant, shallow and an obvious exageration.
In response to your comments-
I am a size 0 and I'm no skeleton.
In case you didn't learn this in your rigorous nutrition program, all humans require vitamin and mineral supplementation FOR LIFE.
In fact, it isn't size that determines "health," it is your consumption of organic and inorganic nutrients.
I've included a link for your reference because you obviously lack the basic knowledge of nutritional sciences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
Considering you KNOW SO MUCH about the daily vitamin and mineral requirements of a bypass and DS patient, please bless us with your wealth of knowledge.
Which supplements would that be?
I would sincerely like to see you list out these "50 pills." It would be highly entertaining.
Could you even bless us with the daily requirements of a bad patient? What about a normal adult?
I would encourage you to take your supplements as prescribed by your surgeon as well as have your vitamin and mineral panel assessed on a regular basis. Perhaps the etiology of your psychosis is lack of optimal vitamin and mineral status. You may want to google vitamin D deficiency and schizophrenia. You are already at risk for osteoporosis. Your ethnicity places you at even greater risk. Stop wasting your time defending your decision to seek the band and start taking better care of yourself. The bitter bus will not take you from a miserable 12 to a happy 6. My advice, next stop, get off.
P.S. Ghrelin is with an "i" not an "e." You should consider the correct spelling of the hormone prior to bumping your gums about it. Ghrelin isn't something that "wears off" similiar to the pot you've been smoking. It is a hormone and hormones don't wear off. Levels decline or increase dependent on a myriad of factors.
Again, I am including a link for you to review before you humiliate yourself again in public regarding ghrelin and weight loss.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/mrp8022076307100/
This article describes ghrelin levels at 5 years you nincompoop.
Spelling 101 - "scare ONE" - I assume you mean "square one."
Or the point you are already at right now.
I enjoyed reading your thorough description of dumping syndrome and food intolerances associated with the bypass and DS. It was fascinating. Considering your addiction to chocolate and sweets you may also want to have your tryptophan levels evaluated. Tryptophan is an amino acid - you know... the building block of protein. The stuff you despise. Don't worry, at your rate, I sincerely doubt you will be able to "chow down" on anything at 70 or 80. Your teeth are made out of minerals, you know? The supplements you despise. OH and poor protein intake also places one at risk for osteoporosis. You better invest in a cane now. I wouldn't want you to fall and crack your well endowed brain.
DS patients "monitor" their labs - rightfully so.
They do not chase anything other than a more fullfilling life.
Something YOU obviously know nothing about because if you did, you wouldn't be wasting your time defending your decision to seek the band.
Your pathetic attempt to defame the bariatric procedures that have repeatedly proven to be more effective at sustained weight loss than the band is evidence of your blatant insecurities.
All humans should have their vitamin and mineral levels accessed on a regular basis because 95% of the population is walking around with one or more deficiencies. Do you really think the food you boastfully admit to eat on a day-to-day basis meets your body's requirements for optimal health and wellbeing? It doesn't. I would encourage you to google topics related to chemicals, hormones, food additives, the endocrine system and obesity. Overly processed foods wreck havoc on your enocrine system (not to mention your mental health!!!!!).
I am a Registered Dietitian with my CNSC (aka NUT) and I have no reason to defend one procedure over the other, but I can tell you with 100% certainty-
The band is the LEAST successful procedure and has a very high complication rate and
The DS is the MOST SUCCESSFUL procedure and has a very low mortality rate.
I'm including some evidence for your intelligent self.
Eat your heart out bandster.
(This study includes 22,000 patients)
Context:
About 5% of the US population is morbidly obese. This disease remains largely refractory to diet and drug therapy, but generally responds well to bariatric surgery.
Objective:
To determine the impact of bariatric surgery on weight loss, operative mortality outcome, and 4 obesity comorbidities (diabetes, hyperlipidemia, hypertension, and obstructive sleep apnea).
Data Sources and Study Selection:
Electronic literature search of MEDLINE, Current Contents, and the Cochrane Library databases plus manual reference checks of all articles on bariatric surgery published in the English language between 1990 and 2003. Two levels of screening were used on 2738 citations. Data Extraction A total of 136 fully extracted studies, whi*****luded 91 overlapping patient populations (kin studies), were included for a total of 22094 patients. Nineteen percent of the patients were men and 72.6% were women, with a mean age of 39 years (range, 16-64 years). Sex was not reported for 1537 patients (8%). The baseline mean body mass index for 16 944 patients was 46.9 (range, 32.3-68.8).
Data Synthesis
A random effects model was used in the meta-analysis. The mean (95% confidence interval) percentage of excess weight loss was
47.5% (40.7%-54.2%) for patients who underwent gastric banding;
61.6% (56.7%-66.5%), gastric bypass;
68.2% (61.5%-74.8%), gastroplasty; and
70.1% (66.3%-73.9%), biliopancreatic diversion or duodenal switch.
Operative mortality (30 days) in the extracted studies was 0.1% for the purely restrictive procedures, 0.5% for gastric bypass, and 1.1% for biliopancreatic diversion or duodenal switch. Conclusions Effective weight loss was achieved in morbidly obese patients after undergoing bariatric surgery. A substantial majority of patients with diabetes, hyperlipidemia, hypertension, and obstructive sleep apnea experienced complete resolution or improvement.
NUT UP OR SHUT UP.
In response to your comments-
I am a size 0 and I'm no skeleton.
In case you didn't learn this in your rigorous nutrition program, all humans require vitamin and mineral supplementation FOR LIFE.
In fact, it isn't size that determines "health," it is your consumption of organic and inorganic nutrients.
I've included a link for your reference because you obviously lack the basic knowledge of nutritional sciences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
Considering you KNOW SO MUCH about the daily vitamin and mineral requirements of a bypass and DS patient, please bless us with your wealth of knowledge.
Which supplements would that be?
I would sincerely like to see you list out these "50 pills." It would be highly entertaining.
Could you even bless us with the daily requirements of a bad patient? What about a normal adult?
I would encourage you to take your supplements as prescribed by your surgeon as well as have your vitamin and mineral panel assessed on a regular basis. Perhaps the etiology of your psychosis is lack of optimal vitamin and mineral status. You may want to google vitamin D deficiency and schizophrenia. You are already at risk for osteoporosis. Your ethnicity places you at even greater risk. Stop wasting your time defending your decision to seek the band and start taking better care of yourself. The bitter bus will not take you from a miserable 12 to a happy 6. My advice, next stop, get off.
P.S. Ghrelin is with an "i" not an "e." You should consider the correct spelling of the hormone prior to bumping your gums about it. Ghrelin isn't something that "wears off" similiar to the pot you've been smoking. It is a hormone and hormones don't wear off. Levels decline or increase dependent on a myriad of factors.
Again, I am including a link for you to review before you humiliate yourself again in public regarding ghrelin and weight loss.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/mrp8022076307100/
This article describes ghrelin levels at 5 years you nincompoop.
Spelling 101 - "scare ONE" - I assume you mean "square one."
Or the point you are already at right now.
I enjoyed reading your thorough description of dumping syndrome and food intolerances associated with the bypass and DS. It was fascinating. Considering your addiction to chocolate and sweets you may also want to have your tryptophan levels evaluated. Tryptophan is an amino acid - you know... the building block of protein. The stuff you despise. Don't worry, at your rate, I sincerely doubt you will be able to "chow down" on anything at 70 or 80. Your teeth are made out of minerals, you know? The supplements you despise. OH and poor protein intake also places one at risk for osteoporosis. You better invest in a cane now. I wouldn't want you to fall and crack your well endowed brain.
DS patients "monitor" their labs - rightfully so.
They do not chase anything other than a more fullfilling life.
Something YOU obviously know nothing about because if you did, you wouldn't be wasting your time defending your decision to seek the band.
Your pathetic attempt to defame the bariatric procedures that have repeatedly proven to be more effective at sustained weight loss than the band is evidence of your blatant insecurities.
All humans should have their vitamin and mineral levels accessed on a regular basis because 95% of the population is walking around with one or more deficiencies. Do you really think the food you boastfully admit to eat on a day-to-day basis meets your body's requirements for optimal health and wellbeing? It doesn't. I would encourage you to google topics related to chemicals, hormones, food additives, the endocrine system and obesity. Overly processed foods wreck havoc on your enocrine system (not to mention your mental health!!!!!).
I am a Registered Dietitian with my CNSC (aka NUT) and I have no reason to defend one procedure over the other, but I can tell you with 100% certainty-
The band is the LEAST successful procedure and has a very high complication rate and
The DS is the MOST SUCCESSFUL procedure and has a very low mortality rate.
I'm including some evidence for your intelligent self.
Eat your heart out bandster.
http://www.lapspecialists.com/Buchwald_Article_Meta_analysis.pdf
Bariatric Surgery a Systematic Review and Meta-Anaylsis(This study includes 22,000 patients)
Context:
About 5% of the US population is morbidly obese. This disease remains largely refractory to diet and drug therapy, but generally responds well to bariatric surgery.
Objective:
To determine the impact of bariatric surgery on weight loss, operative mortality outcome, and 4 obesity comorbidities (diabetes, hyperlipidemia, hypertension, and obstructive sleep apnea).
Data Sources and Study Selection:
Electronic literature search of MEDLINE, Current Contents, and the Cochrane Library databases plus manual reference checks of all articles on bariatric surgery published in the English language between 1990 and 2003. Two levels of screening were used on 2738 citations. Data Extraction A total of 136 fully extracted studies, whi*****luded 91 overlapping patient populations (kin studies), were included for a total of 22094 patients. Nineteen percent of the patients were men and 72.6% were women, with a mean age of 39 years (range, 16-64 years). Sex was not reported for 1537 patients (8%). The baseline mean body mass index for 16 944 patients was 46.9 (range, 32.3-68.8).
Data Synthesis
A random effects model was used in the meta-analysis. The mean (95% confidence interval) percentage of excess weight loss was
47.5% (40.7%-54.2%) for patients who underwent gastric banding;
61.6% (56.7%-66.5%), gastric bypass;
68.2% (61.5%-74.8%), gastroplasty; and
70.1% (66.3%-73.9%), biliopancreatic diversion or duodenal switch.
Operative mortality (30 days) in the extracted studies was 0.1% for the purely restrictive procedures, 0.5% for gastric bypass, and 1.1% for biliopancreatic diversion or duodenal switch. Conclusions Effective weight loss was achieved in morbidly obese patients after undergoing bariatric surgery. A substantial majority of patients with diabetes, hyperlipidemia, hypertension, and obstructive sleep apnea experienced complete resolution or improvement.
NUT UP OR SHUT UP.
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on 6/18/11 1:19 pm, edited 6/18/11 1:32 pm - ~Somewhere in~, PA
on 6/18/11 1:19 pm, edited 6/18/11 1:32 pm - ~Somewhere in~, PA
You can get scientific all you want...it's not about size here ...it's ALL ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE...also at 5'8 inches tall *I* would look skeletal......to each its own.
Edited to Add: Don't even try to correct my spelling on Obesity Help...yanno...that's irrelevant and very childish on a busy forum to even point that out, I am a highly educated software engineer with a BS in Computer Science and I could care less how I spell on this forum, I wear glasses and I don't have them on and as long as you can comprehend and read through the lines that should be enough.....
I think it's actually dangerous to even suggest the DS is safer than the band...if it was a MIRACLE SURGERY AS YOU SUGGEST...people would be lined up and surgeons would be performing it in droves...I hope people are not stupid enough to fall for that.
...it's ALL ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE...also at 5'8 inches tall *I* would look skeletal......to each its own.Edited to Add: Don't even try to correct my spelling on Obesity Help...yanno...that's irrelevant and very childish on a busy forum to even point that out, I am a highly educated software engineer with a BS in Computer Science and I could care less how I spell on this forum, I wear glasses and I don't have them on and as long as you can comprehend and read through the lines that should be enough.....
I think it's actually dangerous to even suggest the DS is safer than the band...if it was a MIRACLE SURGERY AS YOU SUGGEST...people would be lined up and surgeons would be performing it in droves...I hope people are not stupid enough to fall for that.
"...I am a highly educated software engineer with a BS in Computer Science ..."
Were you perhaps forcibly removed from a commuter train a few days ago for talking loudly and profanely on your cell phone?
www.google.com/url
Were you perhaps forcibly removed from a commuter train a few days ago for talking loudly and profanely on your cell phone?
www.google.com/url
On June 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM Pacific Time, ~~Nana ~. wrote:
You can get scientific all you want...it's not about size here ...it's ALL ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE...also at 5'8 inches tall *I* would look skeletal......to each its own.Edited to Add: Don't even try to correct my spelling on Obesity Help...yanno...that's irrelevant and very childish on a busy forum to even point that out, I am a highly educated software engineer with a BS in Computer Science and I could care less how I spell on this forum, I wear glasses and I don't have them on and as long as you can comprehend and read through the lines that should be enough.....
I think it's actually dangerous to even suggest the DS is safer than the band...if it was a MIRACLE SURGERY AS YOU SUGGEST...people would be lined up and surgeons would be performing it in droves...I hope people are not stupid enough to fall for that.
Improved health = improved quality of life.
My secondary intention was to ensure readers are aware of your fundamental lack of knowledge regarding the different procedures and outcomes.
Unfortunately, you appear to be the Queen of Wrong.
Quality of life with the band is inferior to all other procedures and I suspect it is also inferior to the quality of life of non-surgical weight-loss patients.
Another "scientific" piece of information for you.
You have the right to your own opinion, but you do not have the right to post lies all over this web site. Bariatric surgery is a life-saving decision for many and if you want to misinform pre-op patients then I will gladly educate them on your behalf. :)
Evaluation of Health Status and Quality of Life after Bariatric Surgery: Comprarison of the BYPASS and BAND.
Background:
This study is a trial to compare the effects and outcomes of three different bariatric procedures performed in two centers. Standard Roux-en-Y gastric bypass was performed by Dr. Norman Samuels in Fort Lauderdale (Florida); vertical banded gastroplasty and laparoscopic adjustable silicone gastric banding were done in Hallein (Salzburg) by Dr. Emanuel Hell and Dr. Karl Miller.
Methods:
In a prospective comparative study 30 matched patients from each group were followed to assess post-operative improvement in health status and quality of life, to compare the three different techniques. The Bariatric Analysis and Reporting Outcome System (BAROS) as described by Oria and Moorehead has been used for evaluation.
Results:
The observation time was at least 3 years (3 to 8 years) in each individual case. A significant increase in quality of life and health status in 75% of the surgically-treated patients was observed when compared with a non-operated control group of morbidly obese patients.
Conclusions:
By utilizing BAROS it has been found possible to compare the results of different procedures done by different surgeons with different techniques, utilizing patients from different cultures and with different languages. The results of this comparative study favor the standard gastric bypass for the treatment of morbid obesity.This operation is superior to purely gastric restrictive procedures in weight loss and improvement of quality of life.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/d48227x14j1r8076/
The Golden Band Rules:
Waiti to drink 1 hour before and 1 hour after each meal as well as avoiding soft, mushy liquidy foods....
oh, and I just realized why you hate pills so much!
It's because you can't swallow pills anymore!!
I'd hate pills too if I had to crush or chew all of my vits/mins and medications. Don't chew your food too fast and make sure you chew each piece of food 30 times!! Otherwise, it could get stuck and you could vomit. EEEEKKK - you should probably google pouch dilation and band slippage (search "images").
http://www.chirurgie-digestive.com/images/20040221015038.jpeg
^^^^^^Now that is scary!
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