cascading stomach

char1123
on 10/6/10 10:34 am - Chicago, IL

I am two day pre op and my doctor springs this need medical term on me. Does anyone know what this is and can the effect my my weight loss ?

    
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on 10/6/10 11:00 am - Des Moines, IA
what did your surgeon say about it?  Never heard that term before?
char1123
on 10/6/10 11:07 am - Chicago, IL
He said everything went fine they fix a herina so no more reflux then he said you have a cascading stomach... I guess I will find out more on my appointment next week.. I didn't get what he said until hung up. i was just wonder had anyone heard of this.
Jean M.
on 10/6/10 11:15 am
Revision on 08/16/12
I Googled "cascading stomach" and didn't understand a word of the results.  I think you need to talk with your surgeon about it.  My guess is that he found it to be medically interesting but that it will have no bearing on your weight loss.

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bufedwards
on 10/6/10 11:54 am - Hustonville, KY
Here's what I found:

I just want to make people aware of a condition called Cascade Stomach, also known as Cup and Spill, flip over stomach and shelf stomach.

This is a common
Common cold
factor
Factor ix complex
in people suffering from GERD, basically the stomach is divided into two and on a barium
Barium enema
Barium ingestion
Upper gi and small bowel series
Barium sulfate
swallow the radiologist will clearly see two different fluid levels in the stomach whilst in the vertical position, one high up near the fundus and another near the pyloric
Pyloric stenosis
valve, normal
Normal saline flush
stomachs only have one fluid level.
What happens when you eat is that the upper sac fills up 1st and then it slowly cascades over into the lower part of the stomach, the difference between a cascade stomach and an hour glass stomach is that the upper sac is devoid if tonicity like that of a flaccid sac, the lumen outline of the upper sac with also be thin and therefore does not carry the same protection against acids as a normal
Normal saline flush
stomach.
The upper sac can not digest food it just sits there, and with some people after a big meal if slouched over with the stomach and esophagus in a compressed form, the olower esophagus can literally dip into the upper stomach contents, in most cases due to the closer proximity it is easier for stomach acids to jump up into the esophagus.

Most surgeons do not consider this condition as problematic, but they know it causes GERD and we all know the problems GERD can cause, so it is a clear contradiction.

Some doctors and specialists do not even know what this condition is when questioned and dismiss it as nothing because they are uneducated, but if you research "Cascade Stomach" on google you will see the condition can be very problamatic and I think a lot of people on here may be undiagnosed.

Luckily there is an easy treatment, after you eat simply lay on your left side, this will allow the upper sac to empty, slowly sit back up into the vertical position to let it empty down into the lower stomach which will still be fully functional, repeat this process until you feel like the upper sac has emptied.

Any of you out there feel like food is sitting in the top of your stomach and the bottom part feels empty?

The only way to get diagnosed is with barium swallow xray, endoscopy's do not highlight this condition, you need to look at the stomach from a distance to see it, you also need a radiologist who actually knows how to spot this condition.

Many people get all sorts of digestive problems who have this disorder, most end up having fundoplication surgery to stop the reflux, but often only fundoplication and a gastopexy together will actually be fully succesful, the stomach has to be pulled into shape and sutured either to the stomach wall or looped over a rib, this prevents food getting stuck in the top part of the stomach and can prevent future life threatening problems like the stomach folding over on itself even more.
The condition was once thought to be rare but recent studies have shown that is is not and it is a stomach deformity caused by lax stomach ligaments.

People with Cascade stomach, have been documented to have an elevated upper left crus of the diaphram with a build up of pressure and gas, this can displace the heart and spleen, there is a documented case of this happening during an actual barium swallow, due to the upper abdominal distention and build up of pressure, the Barium solution backed up 5 inches above the esophageal sphincter, the patients pain
increased and increased until eventually the barium squirted into the upper sac of the stomach, the patient described feeling better instantly.
Has anybody ever had one of these episodes?
If you think you may have any of these symptoms try the emptying tet by laying on your left hand side.

I hope this will help people who may be suffering with unexplained or undianosed conditions.

ust wanted to add that it is characteristic of Cascade stomach for the upper sac which does not function properly to be much larger than the lower fully functioning part of the stomach, this means small meals are a must and the emptying of the upper sac may take some time aagain leading to slow digestion, you may find this is the cause of large gurgling sounds as the food passes from the upper to lower stomach with this you will literally feel the food lower down in your abdomen and the upper abdominal discomfort will go with it.
This is one condition where excess acids in the upper flaccid sac can cause a burning sensation, to immediately relieve this just eat some dry toast, you will feel the discomfort go almost immediately.

Because of the nature of this conditio it is important to sleep well elevated, as is in a sun lounger, do not just lift the head, the elevation must start from hip level, so that the entire upper body gets elevated, the elevation needs to be 25-30deg, good hospitals automatically place you at this angle even as a sleeping position, it may be uncomfortable at 1st, but after while you will find it more comfortable than laying flat, your night time/morning abdominal pains will disappear as a result.

A note to people who are also suffering bile reflux, laying on the right alleviates symptoms, gravity taking bile down the intestines instead of into the stomach, so as soon as you feel the upper sac empty by laying on your left, then return to laying on the right to stop bile entering the stomach, so many catch 22 situations with stomach problems, solving one problem can cause another and leave you feeling like nothing works, you have to monitor yourself closely and feel and listen to what the stomach is doing, what has an affect and what does not.

SOURCE: http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Gastroenterology/Cascade-Stomach/show/999598


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char1123
on 10/6/10 12:06 pm - Chicago, IL
thank you this is what I FOUND too... I really didn't understand it and how it would relate to my lap band so I will ask the doctor next week. Thanks again for looking this up
Wendy's Dream
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on 10/6/10 1:12 pm - Mesa, AZ
VSG on 08/09/22
Hm mm......   I know laying on your left side helps with a stuck episode.  Any time I feel like the food is stuck I lay on my left side and relax and the stuck feeling seems to go away.  Thinks for the information. 
 Wendy  

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Tiff tells all
on 10/7/10 12:16 am - Ewa Beach, HI
RNY on 05/21/19

essentially the hour glass stomach that most people have is one hallow cavity. The cascade stomach is rare but it's not an issue really unless you have had major reflux issues in the past. So the cascade stomach is naturally formed into two sections. It's got lots of shape to it like a peanut shell. We'll call it the upper and the lower. The upper area tends to be a little thinner and dry from the stomach acids so if food gets stuck there, it can be an issue and painful. The food in the upper since it's not touching the stomach acids can go undigested for long periods of time. That's why they suggest laying of the left to force the food to fall out of the upper area.

Some people find that if they slump or tip to a certain position, the food will go directly from their throat to the lower section. They are just positioning themselves so the food doesn't fall into the upper portion. Pretty interesting.

From this very unmedical interpretation, the band might actually help to resolve reflux if you have it. That would be a nice bonus.

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Stephanie M.
on 10/7/10 2:17 am
Stephanie M.
on 10/7/10 2:24 am
Sorry for the deletion, but the info wasn't so enlightening after all...sounds like it is a condition where the diapraghm is weak on the left side allowing the top of the stomach (fundus) to protrude up into the chest, causing discomfort that can be confused with heart pain.  Also, it seems that the stomach is divided into two chambers (kind of like with banding) and the food sits in the upper chamber for quite a while before moving into the lower chamber.  I would ask if it can be repaired or if it is a clear contraindication of banding surgery????
Good luck and let us know what you find out.

 

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