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trenya07
on 2/19/13 4:32 pm - East Coast, NC
Topic: WAITING FOR APPROVAL/UHC

I was told yesterday that my esophagus is dilated (again) and my band needs to be removed. I've had it for 5 years, lost 100 lbs total, had a baby last year and holding on to 30 lbs from pregnancy. I don't consider my band to be a complete failure but its ran its course and I would like to lose another 50-60 lbs! .....without the acid reflux, vomiting, or "stuck" episodes.... No one could tell me 100% whether the revision would be covered or if I had to repeat the entire process (nutrtion and psych). Patiently waiting to hear from UHC.

**************75 lbs lost 25 lbs to Goal and One Year Bandversary!!****************
NYDoll
on 2/19/13 7:27 am, edited 2/20/13 12:35 am - AZ
Topic: RE: Cigna appvd Band rmvl but denied revision because technical failure wasn't proved??

Thank you for your response and info.  I am going to move forward with this and see what happenscool .  I feel like if they appvd the band removal they must have agreed it had to be taken out based on the documentation I did provide & also at this point , I feel the band is/should no longer be a factor so I will stress the facts which is I am still battling obesity & the numbers & comorbidities will attest to this so I'm still seeking treatment.

Any thoughts on this & possibly using one of the appeal letters I found on here?

noftessa0401
on 2/19/13 6:15 am - San Diego, CA
RNY on 12/27/12
Topic: RE: medicare and VSG: anyone here approved?

Grannyfox:  One thing I read says this: For Medicare patients hoping to get the sleeve gastrectomy, Dr. Brengman encourages them to make sure they are heard: “Patients hold the key to access. If patients strongly desire sleeve gastrectomy in a particular region they should voice their support to their local contractor and demand coverage. Patients can look at their explanation of benefits statement to find out who their contractor is.”

I think it is too early to find a list of regions that accept Medicare for the sleeve (it was just put in place in October of 2012).  Maybe people will reply and say whether they have been successful in getting Medicare to cover it.  Alternatively, you can call your local Medicare administrator's office and see if they have a list.  Or, you can call a bunch of different "local" Medicare administrator's offices that are relatively close to you to see if they offer coverage.

Good luck!

HW: 274 | SW: 232 | CW: 137 | Goal: 145 (ticker includes a 42 pound loss pre-op) | Height: 5'4"

M1: -24 (205) | M2: -14 (191) | M3: -11 (180) | M4: -7 (173) | M5: -7 (166) | M6: -8 (158) | M7: -11 (147) | M8: -2 (145) | M9: -3 (142) | M10: -2 (140) | M11: -4 (136) | M12: -2 (134) | M13: -0 (134) | M14: -3 (131) | M15: +4 (135) | M16: +2 (137)

noftessa0401
on 2/19/13 6:03 am - San Diego, CA
RNY on 12/27/12
Topic: RE: Cigna appvd Band rmvl but denied revision because technical failure wasn't proved??

Insurance companies can be so frustrating to deal with.  Here is what I found on-line regarding Cigna's bariatric suregery policy:

Cigna covers revision of a previous bariatric surgical procedure or conversion to another medically necessary procedure due to inadequate weight loss as medically necessary when ALL of the following are met:


• Coverage for bariatric surgery is available under the individual’s current health benefit plan.
• There is evidence of full compliance with the previously prescribed postoperative dietary and exercise program.
• Due to a technical failure of the original bariatric surgical procedure (e.g., pouch dilatation) documented on either upper gastrointestinal (UGI) series or esophagogastroduodenoscopy (EGD), the individual has failed to achieve adequate weight loss, which is defined as failure to lose at least 50% of excess body weight or failure to achieve body weight to within 30% of ideal body weight at least two years following the original surgery.
• The requested procedure is a regularly covered bariatric surgery (see above for specific procedures).
NOTE: Inadequate weight loss due to individual noncompliance with postoperative nutrition and exercise recommendations is not a medically necessary indication for revision or conversion surgery and is not covered by Cigna.

 

So, it sounds like Cigna is saying that there is no proof of technical failure of the band documented on a UGI or EGD.  Has the report(s) from the hospital visit in 2008 been sent to them?  It also sounds like they are saying that there is not enough documentation regarding your weight loss after the surgery.  Do you have all your reports from your first surgeon's follow-up visits (where, presumably, the weight loss is documented)?

If you gave them everything, and they still deny, I would absolutely go with the appeal - what's the worst that can happen, they say no?  They already have!  Force them to spell out why you are denied.

Lastly, if they ultimately deny you completely, then re-apply in a year.  It would be considered a new surgery, not a revision (I imagine, but I could be wrong).  Here are Cigna's requirements for bariatric surgery, which, depending on your stats, might fit you:

 

Cigna covers bariatric surgery using a covered procedure outlined below as medically necessary when ALL of the following criteria are met:
• The individual is ≥ 18 years of age or has reached full expected skeletal growth AND has evidence of EITHER of the following:
*  a BMI (Body Mass Index) ≥ 40
*  a BMI (Body Mass Index) 35–39.9 with at least one clinically significant obesity-related comorbidity, including but not limited to the following:
     o mechanical arthropathy in a weight-bearing joint
     o type 2 diabetes mellitus
     o poorly controlled hypertension (systolic blood pressure at least 140 mm Hg or diastolic blood pressure 90 mm Hg or greater, despite optimal medical management)

    o hyperlipidemia
    o coronary artery disease
    o lower extremity lymphatic or venous obstruction
    o obstructive sleep apnea
    o pulmonary hypertension

• Medical management including evidence of active participation within the last 12 months in a weight-management program that is supervised either by a physician or a registered dietician for a minimum of three consecutive months. The weight-management program must include monthly documentation of ALL of the following components:
* weight
* current dietary program
* physical activity (e.g., exercise program)  Programs such as Weigh****chers®, Jenny Craig® and Optifast® are acceptable alternatives if done in conjunction with the supervision of a physician or registered dietician and detailed documentation of participation is available for review. However, physician-supervised programs consisting exclusively of pharmacological management are not sufficient to meet this requirement.

• A thorough multidisciplinary evaluation within the previous six months whi*****ludes ALL of the following:
*  an evaluation by a bariatric surgeon recommending surgical treatment, including a description of the proposed procedure(s) and all of the associated current CPT codes
* a separate medical evaluation from a physician other than the requesting surgeon that includes both a recommendation for bariatric surgery as well as a medical clearance for surgery
* unequivocal clearance for bariatric surgery by a mental health provider
* a nutritional evaluation by a physician or registered dietician

HW: 274 | SW: 232 | CW: 137 | Goal: 145 (ticker includes a 42 pound loss pre-op) | Height: 5'4"

M1: -24 (205) | M2: -14 (191) | M3: -11 (180) | M4: -7 (173) | M5: -7 (166) | M6: -8 (158) | M7: -11 (147) | M8: -2 (145) | M9: -3 (142) | M10: -2 (140) | M11: -4 (136) | M12: -2 (134) | M13: -0 (134) | M14: -3 (131) | M15: +4 (135) | M16: +2 (137)

NYDoll
on 2/18/13 10:22 am - AZ
Topic: Cigna appvd Band rmvl but denied revision because technical failure wasn't proved??
Wow, this has been some journey. I had the band done in '06 & almost immediately had complications & knew I had made a mistake (I was back/forth with deciding RNY/Band). After having severe reflux & vomiting attack sent me to the hospital in '08 I decided to have a complete unfill& never went back. Not knowing revision was even available as a potential option I continued trying other weight loss methods with the same old story, lose weight, gain back & then some. FFWD to my Bday 5/22/2012 I was, depressed, not happy at all with my body, I was not participating in my own life & decided to go online & found out about revision surgery so I placed a call to my surgeons office & that day started the ball rolling to, what I thought would be my new lease on life! (which is what I had hoped for from the band)
FFWD to present day Cigna has appvd for the removal of the band which I had done 10/12 but won't appv my revision because "technical failure" was not proven smh because I can't wrap my brain around why they appvd for the removal?? Anyway, went through 1st appeal then they came back with "insufficient documented weight loss within 2 yrs" I'm wondering if I should even bother with a level 2 appeal at this point. I may just go ahead so I can say I exhausted all my options. They say I can try again after a yr but unless they change policy I don't see any change. If I go with another ins co maybe we'll see....
TK1117
on 2/18/13 8:32 am - Suwanee, GA
VSG on 06/14/13
Topic: RE: Cigna OAP

Thanks so much!!!! :) I will keep you guys posted! 

 

Sleeved: 6/14/13 | Start Weight: 220 | Surgery Weight: 209 | 9 Months Post Op: 143 | Goal: 140    

    

    

    

    

    

    

    

    

        

    

Grannyfox
on 2/18/13 6:52 am
Topic: RE: medicare and VSG: anyone here approved?

This original post is almost 3 yrs. old, but I have the same question.  Been searching high and low trying to find out what regional contractors will approve the VSG.  Medicare declined to give national coverage in a decision last June, but said regional contractors could approve.  I hear there are places/states out there that can/will do.  I desperately need the sleeve and do meet the medicare requirements, but can't find a state that will do it.  Indiana where I live is working on a regional level to get it approved, but I fear by the time that happens it will be too late for me.  I am already 68 with a BMI of 54.5 and multiple medical conditions including heart disease, hypertension and sleep apneas.  So if anyone out there has any current news.  Can we ressurect this thread?  Thanks.

NYDoll
on 2/18/13 5:55 am - AZ
Topic: RE: CIGNA Nightmare
Hello, it's been a while since these posts just curious if things turned out in your favor. If either one of you happen to check back on here please let me know, I'm fighting a similar fight ugh!

Thanks,
Karina
noftessa0401
on 2/18/13 5:27 am - San Diego, CA
RNY on 12/27/12
Topic: RE: Cigna OAP

No, it means you will have to pay more than $1,00, but NO more than $6,000 (or $7,000, see below).

Let's say the surgery is $60,000 for everything (mine was $66,000).  You will have to pay your $1,000 deductible, then 20% of $60,000 (which is $12,000), but you max out at $6,000, so you will have to pay $6,000.  The only caveat is that I do not know if your deductible counts towards your out-of-pocket maximum or not, so you might have to pay $6,000, or you might have to pay $7,000.

You could always call your insurance and ask them if they have estimates for your portion for this type of surgery. 

Good luck!

HW: 274 | SW: 232 | CW: 137 | Goal: 145 (ticker includes a 42 pound loss pre-op) | Height: 5'4"

M1: -24 (205) | M2: -14 (191) | M3: -11 (180) | M4: -7 (173) | M5: -7 (166) | M6: -8 (158) | M7: -11 (147) | M8: -2 (145) | M9: -3 (142) | M10: -2 (140) | M11: -4 (136) | M12: -2 (134) | M13: -0 (134) | M14: -3 (131) | M15: +4 (135) | M16: +2 (137)

TK1117
on 2/17/13 3:10 am - Suwanee, GA
VSG on 06/14/13
Topic: Cigna OAP

Hi Everyone ... Newbie here! I hope that you're all well! enlightened I'm currently in the pre-approval stage for WLS. I have 2 more appointments left with the dietitian and my paperwork can then be submitted to Cigna for approval. I was told that my insurance coverage for WLS is as follows: $1,000 deductible and I'm covered at 80% until my $6,000 out of pocket max has been reached. 

Does this mean I will only need to come out of pocket the $1000 in order to have the surgery? Surgery will be performed at a Center of Excellence facility; Emory Johns Creek Hospital. Thanks so much in advance for your response! 

 

~Tisha~

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