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Malg22
on 9/23/10 8:40 am - Tiffin, OH
VSG on 12/18/13
Topic: RE: Please read and give me advice!

Here are the guidlines that I got off their webiste. I followed these rules 100% along with my PCP. I just feel like I am stuck-but I know I did everything I could. I don't want to settle with another denial based on what someone "thinks" I should do. Frustrating. I feel like I will give up if I settle with it.

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Aetna considers open or laparoscopic Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGB), open or laparoscopic sleeve gastrectomy, open or laparoscopic biliopancreatic diversion (BPD) with or without duodenal switch (DS), or laparoscopic adjustable silicone gastric banding (LASGB) medically necessary when the selection criteria listed below are met.

Selection criteria:

  1. Must meet either 1 (adults) or 2 (adolescents):

    1. For adults age 18 years or older, presence of severe obesity that has persisted for at least the last 2 years (24 months), defined as any of the following: 

      1. Body mass index (BMI) (see appendix) exceeding 40; or
      2. BMI greater than 35 in conjunction with any of the following severe co-morbidities:

        1. Clinically significant obstructive sleep apnea (i.e., patient meets the criteria for treatment of obstructive sleep apnea set forth in CPB 004 - Obstructive Sleep Apnea in Adults); or
        2. Coronary heart disease; or
        3. Medically refractory hypertension (blood pressure greater than 140 mmHg systolic and/or 90 mmHg diastolic despite optimal medical management); or
        4. Type 2 diabetes mellitus

    2. For adolescents who have completed bone growth (generally age 13 in girls and age 15 in boys), presence of obesity with severe comorbidities:

      1. BMI exceeding 40 with one or more of the following serious comorbidities:

        1. Clinically significant obstructive sleep apnea; or
        2. Type 2 diabetes mellitus; or
        3. Pseudotumor comorbidities.

      2. BMI exceeding 50 with one or more of the following less serious comorbidities:

        1. Medically refractory hypertension; or
        2. Hypertension; or
        3. Dyslipidemias; or
        4. Nonalcoholic steatohepatitis; or
        5. Venous stasis disease; or
        6. Significant impairment in activities of daily living; or
        7. Intertriginous soft-tissue infections; or
        8. Stress urinary incontinence; or
        9. Gastroesophageal reflux disease; or
        10. Weight-related arthropathies that impair physical activity; or
        11. Obesity-related psychosocial distress.

  2. Member has attempted weight loss in the past without successful long-term weight reduction; and
  3. Member must meet either criterion 1 (physician-supervised nutrition and exercise program) or criterion 2 (multidisciplinary surgical preparatory regimen):

    1. Physician-supervised nutrition and exercise program: Member has participated in physician-supervised nutrition and exercise program (including dietician consultation, low calorie diet, increased physical activity, and behavioral modification), documented in the medical record at each visit. This physician-supervised nutrition and exercise program must meet all of the following criteria:

      1. Member's participation in a physician-supervised nutrition and exercise program must be documented in the medical record by an attending physician who supervised the member's participation. The nutrition and exercise program may be administered as part of the surgical preparative regimen, and participation in the nutrition and exercise program may be supervised by the surgeon who will perform the surgery or by some other physician. Note: A physician's summary letter is not sufficient documentation. Documentation should include medical records of physician's contemporaneous assessment of patient's progress throughout the course of the nutrition and exercise program. For members who participate in a physician-administered nutrition and exercise program (e.g., MediFast, OptiFast), program records documenting the member's participation and progress may substitute for physician medical records; and
      2. Nutrition and exercise program must be supervised and monitored by a physician working in cooperation with dieticians and/or nutritionists, with a substantial face-to-face component (must not be entirely remote); and
      3. Nutrition and exercise program(s) must be for a cumulative total of 6 months (180 days) or longer in duration and occur within 2 years prior to surgery, with participation in one program of at least three consecutive months. (Precertification may be made prior to completion of nutrition and exercise program as long as a cumulative of six months participation in nutrition and exercise program(s) will be completed prior to the date of surgery.)

      or

    2. Multidisciplinary surgical preparatory regimen: Proximate to the time of surgery (within 6 months prior to surgery), member must participate in organized multidisciplinary surgical preparatory regimen of at least three months (90 days) duration meeting all of the following criteria, in order to improve surgical outcomes, reduce the potential for surgical complications, and establish the member's ability to comply with post-operative medical care and dietary restrictions:

      1. Behavior modification program supervised by qualified professional; and
      2. Consultation with a dietician or nutritionist; and
      3. Documentation in the medical record of the member's participation in the multidisciplinary surgical preparatory regimen at each visit. (A physician's summary letter, without evidence of contemporaneous oversight, is not sufficient documentation. Documentation should include medical records of the physician's initial assessment of the member, and the physician's assessment of the member's progress at the completion of the multidisciplinary surgical preparatory regimen.); and
      4. Exercise regimen (unless contraindicated) to improve pulmonary reserve prior to surgery, supervised by exercise therapist or other qualified professional; and
      5. Program must have a substantial face-to-face component (must not be entirely delivered remotely); and
      6. Reduced-calorie diet program supervised by dietician or nutritionist.

    and

  4. For members who have a history of severe psychiatric disturbance (schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, suicidal ideation, severe depression) or who are currently under the care of a psychologist/psychiatrist or who are on psychotropic medications, pre-operative psychological clearance is necessary in order to exclude members who are unable to provide informed consent or who are unable to comply with the pre- and postoperative regimen. Note: The presence of depression due to obesity is not normally considered a contraindication to obesity surgery.

WASaBubbleButt
on 9/23/10 7:36 am - Mexico
Topic: RE: looking to buy insurance in PA help please
On September 23, 2010 at 2:11 PM Pacific Time, crivas0512 wrote:

i am looking for a insurance company in PA that covers most of the cost of bariatric surgery any one know of any insurance company i can apply to help please

 
Private policies do not cover WLS.  If they did people would buy a policy long enough to get surgery and then drop the ins.  No ins co could afford that.

You would need to join a group policy, one where they do cover WLS.  Either that, or self pay.


Previously Midwesterngirl

The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.

See  my blog for newbies: 
http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
WASaBubbleButt
on 9/23/10 7:30 am - Mexico
Topic: RE: Please read and give me advice!
On September 22, 2010 at 4:54 AM Pacific Time, Malg22 wrote:
Hello all. I began this jounrney to my weight loss surgery in March of 2010. I visited Dr. Custer in Ohio and he felt I would be a good canidate for the Lap band. I have aetna insurance with Buckeye as a secondary. (I just got Buckeye within the last month). So, with aetna you can do the 12 week nutritional class or the 6 month with your pcp. I did the 12 week class at the barix clinic and also met with my pcp once every 3 months. My pcp was very supportive-filled out in detail what I did during those 3 months on my file. There was other ciriteria to meet of course and I did.

I am 31 years old and weigh 285. Been dealing with obesity for my whole life. The lady that I am working with from Dr. Custers office thru all this said I did everything 110% correct. My file was submitted to aetna on June 22nd 2010. July 3rd I got word that it was denied and would go to appeal. I was told that the medical reviewer denies 9 out of 10 cases that get to his desk..so it went to appeals which means that in July it went to my employer which is the East OHio Conference. I wrote a letter to go with my file at that time telling more about myself and all the options i have did before to try and lose weight....a 2 page letter that I wanted to go with my file so that I wasnt' just a number. Well, I head back from the lady at Dr. Custers office yesterday morning and she said it was denied again. She feels that the East Ohio Conference are just siding with Aetna becasue they don't know how/or what to do to handle this. I got on the phone after that call and called and spoke to the lady at the East Ohio Conference that handled my file and asked her for more info. What she told me is that she feels I should try optifast again....she feels that there are other ways I can lose weight..she feels that I should do another  month diet...I got all these answers from her and it was like her opinion!! She kept referring to an insurance program that the east Ohio Conference used to have that was more strict on guidlines for weight loss surgery..I feel like I have hit a very hard wall.

I KNOW I have met all the crriteria to get the weight loss surgery. I did everything 110%. If I appeal this again..it will just go back to the East Ohio Conference. And I was told within time the 12 week nutritional class does expire. So I will have all that plus more dr. offices out of pocket to meet my deductable yet again.

What do I do? I feel sick at the thought that this means I am back to the drawing board.

Any advice out there? I need it terribly.

Thank you,
Angie
 
Have you looked at your policy regarding WLS with your own eyes?  Have you personally read the requirements?  If so, please post the requirements and let's go through them.  If not, get a copy and post them.

If you met all the criteria and they still deny you then you go to the state ins commission.  

But post it here first and let us go through each item so you have all your ducks in a row,

BTW, you would not be a good candidate for banding.  It's not a good surgery type for anyone let alone someone that has more than 75# to lose.  It's not designed to be forever, maybe 10 years but usually 5.  Ins co's are switching to a 'one surgery in a lifetime' policy.  Think long and hard about this. 

If you want restriction only a sleeve is far more effective and tons safer long term.


Previously Midwesterngirl

The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.

See  my blog for newbies: 
http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
WASaBubbleButt
on 9/23/10 7:21 am - Mexico
Topic: RE: Buy insurance to get WLS or Self pay??
On September 23, 2010 at 1:30 PM Pacific Time, KimberlyHeidi wrote:
 I have been frustrated with this for years. I do not have insurance and my husbands insurance is beyond awful and does not cover WLS or any weight issue. They will not add a rider either.

The Surgeon who is here who I adore will only accept people with insurance.

I know there are a lot of places who will accept self pay, but then what do people do for after care? Besides one other surgeon who has only done a little over 100 surgearies there is no one else close by. 

Looking for ideas and suggestions! 
 
Well, you have several options here but buying a private policy to get ins isn't one of them.  Private policies do not cover WLS because people would get it long enough to get surgery and then drop the plan.  No ins co could afford that.

That leaves self pay.

First you have to decide on a surgery type.  If you are self pay i'd strongly suggest a sleeve because it is the safest surgery type available long term and has better stats than bypass but the best part is there is no aftercare, there is no maintenance.  With bands they don't work well and aftercare can be quite expensive, weight loss is slow, regain is high, etc.

Bypass requires very specific labs that may be hard to convince your ins to pay for.  If they don't cover WLS they won't cover follow ups for labs related to WLS.  Those labs are thousands of dollars each time.

Same with DS.

I have self paid x2.  First a band then a revision to a sleeve.  I went to MX.  You might be shocked to see the quality of care and the number of us that go there.  If you do your research you can find the best of the best for half the price of the US and the care is actually better because they keep you in the hospital longer.

Find 50 people that went to MX and ask them about their experiences.  You might be shocked.

Research is free, surgery in the US is double the cost of MX.  A sleeve by the sleeve expert in the US is $18K.  In MX it is $8750.


Previously Midwesterngirl

The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.

See  my blog for newbies: 
http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
crivas0512
on 9/23/10 7:11 am - Hazleton, PA
Topic: looking to buy insurance in PA help please

i am looking for a insurance company in PA that covers most of the cost of bariatric surgery any one know of any insurance company i can apply to help please

CAROLINA
KimberlyHeidi
on 9/23/10 6:30 am - VA
Topic: Buy insurance to get WLS or Self pay??
 I have been frustrated with this for years. I do not have insurance and my husbands insurance is beyond awful and does not cover WLS or any weight issue. They will not add a rider either.

The Surgeon who is here who I adore will only accept people with insurance.

I know there are a lot of places who will accept self pay, but then what do people do for after care? Besides one other surgeon who has only done a little over 100 surgearies there is no one else close by. 

Looking for ideas and suggestions! 
charlotte180
on 9/22/10 9:58 am - Phoenix, AZ
Topic: RE: My ins co won't disclose pre-reqs to me
 Thanks for the offer, I really appreciate that.

Good news, however: I will be switching over to Medicare on 12/1/10, so, problem solved!
tico90808
on 9/22/10 4:26 am
Topic: RE: Healthnet PPO/POS or a HMO???
I am undecied yet to get either ppo or hmo healthnet, which is beter to cover lapband? i live in L.A.
Malg22
on 9/21/10 9:54 pm - Tiffin, OH
VSG on 12/18/13
Topic: Please read and give me advice!
Hello all. I began this jounrney to my weight loss surgery in March of 2010. I visited Dr. Custer in Ohio and he felt I would be a good canidate for the Lap band. I have aetna insurance with Buckeye as a secondary. (I just got Buckeye within the last month). So, with aetna you can do the 12 week nutritional class or the 6 month with your pcp. I did the 12 week class at the barix clinic and also met with my pcp once every 3 months. My pcp was very supportive-filled out in detail what I did during those 3 months on my file. There was other ciriteria to meet of course and I did.

I am 31 years old and weigh 285. Been dealing with obesity for my whole life. The lady that I am working with from Dr. Custers office thru all this said I did everything 110% correct. My file was submitted to aetna on June 22nd 2010. July 3rd I got word that it was denied and would go to appeal. I was told that the medical reviewer denies 9 out of 10 cases that get to his desk..so it went to appeals which means that in July it went to my employer which is the East OHio Conference. I wrote a letter to go with my file at that time telling more about myself and all the options i have did before to try and lose weight....a 2 page letter that I wanted to go with my file so that I wasnt' just a number. Well, I head back from the lady at Dr. Custers office yesterday morning and she said it was denied again. She feels that the East Ohio Conference are just siding with Aetna becasue they don't know how/or what to do to handle this. I got on the phone after that call and called and spoke to the lady at the East Ohio Conference that handled my file and asked her for more info. What she told me is that she feels I should try optifast again....she feels that there are other ways I can lose weight..she feels that I should do another  month diet...I got all these answers from her and it was like her opinion!! She kept referring to an insurance program that the east Ohio Conference used to have that was more strict on guidlines for weight loss surgery..I feel like I have hit a very hard wall.

I KNOW I have met all the crriteria to get the weight loss surgery. I did everything 110%. If I appeal this again..it will just go back to the East Ohio Conference. And I was told within time the 12 week nutritional class does expire. So I will have all that plus more dr. offices out of pocket to meet my deductable yet again.

What do I do? I feel sick at the thought that this means I am back to the drawing board.

Any advice out there? I need it terribly.

Thank you,
Angie
WASaBubbleButt
on 9/21/10 3:46 am - Mexico
Topic: RE: My ins co won't disclose pre-reqs to me
Which ins co do you have? We might be able to do a few searches and find their policies on line.

Previously Midwesterngirl

The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.

See  my blog for newbies: 
http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
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