I am Desperate....no co-morbids

(deactivated member)
on 11/19/08 11:26 am - UT
Hi,
I have state insurance (Medicaid) and I am almost done with my 1-year supervised diet.  I have a detailed description of what the insurance criterion is for WLS and it says that I MUST have serious co-morbid conditions in order to qualify.
And I don't have any right now.
Please help.... doesn’t anyone have any ideas??
I've already been tested for Sleep apnea and I've already done all of my lab work and I don't have high cholesterol or anything seriously wrong with me. 

I DO have:
a BMI of 48,
depression,
GERD,
weight related foot pain,
some back pain

That's about it. I've heard that my insurance doesn't like to pay for this surgery, so they do whatever they can to avoid it.

I am desperate to have this surgery. I want my life back. I want to be normal again. What else can I do?
Please help me.
Three4Me
on 11/19/08 2:02 pm
Hi...I just read your post & the first thing I want to say is you ARE ALREADY NORMAL...you're just overweight (okay...we are really, really overweight pre-surgery....), but don't think that the only way you are going to be "normal' is to have this surgery....this surgery is probably the only way that you will lose the weight, but you are great just the way you are.

That said, let's get to work on your co-morbids so that the insurance company will pay for this!!!  The first thing that jumped out at me is weight related foot pain & back pain.  Have you been to an ortho?  Do you have osteo-arthritis/degenerative arthritis?  That's a comorbidity.  How about PCOS or Insulin resistance (resulting in irregular periods or infertility); or urinary incont.?  

How about knee pain?  DON'T YOU HAVE KNEE PAIN....I mean RIGHT NOW...start having knee pain (lol!!!!)....and go to the ortho & tell them how your weight is affecting your joints....and I bet the dx will be degen arthritis/osteo....which = a comorbidity!

P.S.  By the way, it's really a good thing that you don't have any comorbidities....
(deactivated member)
on 11/26/08 6:05 pm - sunny, CA
 Gerd is a major comorbidity. According to Medicare's website you don't need to do a supervised diet. They do not specify a certain time frame/ or need for a supervised diet. You are lucky you have Medicare. If your PCP determines that you need WLS and have at least one comordity they can refer you to a bariataric surgeon. No need to get everything approved through Medicare. Here's the link to Medicare's website. Take it into your PCP if they don't know that you don't have to do all this unnecessary stuff. You just need to make sure that you have your surgery at a COE (Medicare Center of Excellence). Best of luck to you and hope this helps.

From Medicare's Website:
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) has determined that the evidence is adequate to conclude that open and laparoscopic Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGBP), laparoscopic adjustable gastric banding (LAGB), and open and laparoscopic biliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch (BPD/DS), are reasonable and necessary for Medicare beneficiaries who have a body-mass index (BMI) > 35, have at least one co-morbidity related to obesity, and have been previously unsuccessful with medical treatment for obesity.

Co-morbidities

Nine of 27 of our acceptable articles had data on co-morbidities; however, none had co-morbidity data on persons over the age of 65. Of the seven TAs we reviewed, none had co-morbidity data on persons over age 65 and four of seven had data on co-morbidities in the general population.

Regarding the prevalence of co-morbidities in the population eligible for bariatric surgery, Pope demonstrated that the percentage of persons that had obesity surgery and had at least one major pre-operative co-morbidity was estimated to be 20.8% in 1990 and 31.4% in 1997. Yet in Gonzalez’ cohort study, for persons 50 years old or older, 47 of 52 (90%) had co-morbidities such as: degenerative joint disease (60%), diabetes and gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) (40%), and hypertension (56%). Approximately 90% of each type improved post-operatively with the exception of hypertension, where 56% improved. In a study by Residori, 57% of patients had at least one metabolic complication, with 30% having diabetes, 38% dyslipidemia, and 38% hypertension.29 Approximately one-third of the diabetes cases and one-half of the dyslipidemia and hypertension cases were previously undiagnosed. Dindo calculated, after adjustment for BMI and age, that the occurrence of dyslipidemia was higher in Caucasians than Hispanics or African Americans, while hypertension rates were about the same

Medical therapy prior to surgery

One bariatric surgery group wrote that it favored bariatric surgery for those over age 65 and standardized facility criteria, but believed that a medical treatment weight loss trial for 6 to 12 months was not necessary. They commented that the decision of when to perform surgery was best left to the surgeon and the patient.

Generally, a common comment introduced pertained to the subjective nature of the medical treatment requirement prior to surgery. Some stated that there were no data to support such a requirement and others stated that the requirement only prolonged the time to needed surgery.

The standard of care for any surgical procedure is that medical management options are exhaustively considered and exercised by both patient and physician prior to surgery. This standard applies to the treatment of co-morbid conditions related to obesity. We will not impose a specific time period, but expect all surgeons to be part of a comprehensive program for the treatment of co-morbid conditions related to obesity and to have applied principles of good medical care prior to surgery.

https://www.cms.hhs.gov/mcd/viewdecisionmemo.asp?from2=viewd ecisionmemo.asp&id=160&

Amy N.
on 11/29/08 11:25 am - Casselton, ND
Hold up... great post on the Medicare..........

HOWEVER, she has MEDICAID not MEDICARE........... they are 2 very different things............
Amy

if you don't change what you've always done, you're going to keep getting what you've always gotten
(deactivated member)
on 11/29/08 3:29 pm, edited 11/29/08 4:39 pm - sunny, CA
This is from Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) looks like the same thing to me. I never said I was an expert . I'm just passing on knowledge that I thought useful. It is up to the OP to check out her benefits. I thought they were the same, I wouldn't know personally since I've never had either. 

 The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) has determined that the evidence is adequate to conclude that open and laparoscopic Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGBP), laparoscopic adjustable gastric banding (LAGB), and open and laparoscopic biliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch (BPD/DS), are reasonable and necessary for Medicare beneficiaries who have a body-mass index (BMI) > 35, have at least one co-morbidity related to obesity, and have been previously unsuccessful with medical treatment for obesity.

CMS has determined that covered bariatric surgery procedures are reasonable and necessary only when performed at facilities that are: (1) certified by the American College of Surgeons (ACS) as a Level 1 Bariatric Surgery Center (program standards and requirements in effect on February 15, 2006); or (2) certified by the American Society for Bariatric Surgery as a Bariatric Surgery Center of Excellence (BSCOE) (program standards and requirements in effect on February 15, 2006).

Centers for Medicare & Medicaid
https://www.cms.hhs.gov/mcd/viewdecisionmemo.asp?from2=viewdecisionmemo.asp&id=160&


Edited to say that I posted this question on another thread and want to apologize to you Amy. You are right and Medicare and Medicaid are 2 different programs. I didn't know since I've never had either. I guess this Decision Memo is for Medicare beneficiaries and coverage for Medicaid beneficiaries may vary state to state. I'm glad I now know so I can post this reply to only Medicare beneficiaries from now on.

Amy N.
on 11/30/08 1:08 am - Casselton, ND
No Problem!  Thanks for the apology.... I certainly didn't mean to offend!
I'm not an expert either, however, I have a friend that has kidney failure and is on both Medicare and Medicaid..........  I know from that how VERY different they are!  I think the patient has to be as "pro-active" as possible and call to investigate everything.  Also, if you feel you are not getting the benefits you are allowed or you have questions... call your states insurance commissioner... they should be able to direct you to whomever can help!
Amy
PS.... I forget that typing in CAPS is considered yelling... I have got to quit that!  Sorry!

Amy

if you don't change what you've always done, you're going to keep getting what you've always gotten
Redhaired
on 11/29/08 11:20 pm - Mouseville, FL

it looks like you have some compeling reasons to have WLS.  That being said, you will want language in your medical records indicating that the issues are caused or aggravated by your weight and that WLS is an appropriate course of treatment.  I suspect you will have to have a referral from your PCP to see a surgeon.  So I would make sure that your PCP is on-board and supportive. 

Red

  

 

 

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