How do you get past the RNY rules while fueling during endurance sports?

Ok, this doesn't really apply to me quite just yet. My runs only go a little over an hour, and my bike rides go almost to 2 hours, where throughout the whole ride I will take in some sport beans, I use 1 pack throughout a ride, only eating 2-3 at a time and still taking in water. I am doing a half marathon in November, a marathon in February, and the Orlando Ironman 70.3 in May, so my training is will keep building up in preparation for these events. Because of my RNY anatomy am I limited to gels, sport beans, and salt tabs? If I eat an energy bar or a banana or any kind of "solid" food I would have to wait an hour to take in any kind of fluid. How do you endurance athletes get past this? I know everyone is different in what they like and what they like to do, but I am just looking for ideas right now, to see what I can try in my training.

Some ideas...but I don't do endurance...just ride my bike for pleasure.  I take my backpack to run errands around town.  In it I'll carry a gel and a protein bar...but never need to use them.  What I carry in my pockets (if I don't carry the backpack) are beef jerkey, different plain nuts, raisins, banana chips, and a couple small pieces of rye cracker (in case I get nauseous).  Just me.  Brian

Throw out the RnY rules when you are in the middle of an endurance workout. They make no sense for that!

The reason to not drink after eating, for example, is that you want to stay feeling full longer so you don't overeat. Well, when you are riding your bike for 4 hours, you can't eat as many calories as you are burning. Your digestive system won't let you! So being hungry is actually a *GOOD* thing there.

Eating during an endurance workout is all about survival and getting in enough nutrition and electrolytes so you don't collapse.

Oh and protein bars are mostly a slider food.

I wrote an article about this on my blog where I went into a lot of detail as to what does and doesn't work for me. Basically, I drink every 5 min. and eat something every 15. By spreading it out, I don't get the foamies and I don't get dehydrates because I ate a big lump of food and now I can't drink anything or I'll puke.

http://fattyfightsback.blogspot.com/2010/04/endurance-training-sleeve.html

While I have a sleeve, most of this stuff works for any WLS. I talk about that a bit in the article.

Thanks for the link to your article MacMadame, I am learning more everyday, and thanks for showling me your blog, I will have to add it to my list of blogs I read.

I agree with MacMadame, the rules don't necessarily apply during endurance training and events.  you will have to do a lot of trial and error during training (DON'T TRY ANYTHING NEW DURING A RACE!) to find out what works for you.  For me, gels work the best, i use clif shot mocha cuz it has caffeine.  I really can't eat anything other than gels while running, it feels like a rock in my gut, but during long biking events i can eat much more.  i typically will eat granola bars, pretzels, gels, whatever they have during long rides to get some calories in me.  for hydration, you should also find out what works for you, i personally have an issue with full-blown gatoraide, it causes stomach issues for me, but G2 and Poweraide zero are ok by my stomach.  if you can handle full-blown gatoraide, it will help with nutrition and is easier to ingest because it is fluid.  good luck!

Thanks Bill, I know its all trial and error, fortunatly I have plenty of time to learn. I love powederade zero, but I will give gatorade and gatorade G2 a try, at home for the first time of course so I know how my pouch will react. Thanks for the advice.

When doing my long runs (up to 13.1 miles), I tend to use Gu and ingest 1/2 a pack every 3-4 miles, which keeps me going.  I drink water/gatorade mix and I don't care about RNY rules.  I've not actually tried "eating", my body seems satisfied enough with the Gu, and the less I carry, the happier I am.

Thanks, I will try different kinds of GU. I tried the espresso GU and it made me gag. Gatorade seem like a good fluid to try.Thanks for the advice.

i go with "chocolate outrage".  I think of it as chocolate frosting, and goes down ok - did not love it on a hot day though - extra melty.  the caffeine kick is nice!

Get a Gel bottle, they are small little squirt bottles.
You can mix the gel with some water in those.  It makes that thick gaggy stuff bearable.
I'm used to them now, and I can eat them right out of the pack, but initially they made me gag.

One of the things I do when on a long bike ride.
3 bottles of fluid.
1 is infinit nutrition mixed to my specifications, they can taylor it to your consistency. (I have 1 formula for the bike it has protein in it and 1 for the run NO protein)
2 is water with NuuN.  NuuN is a 0 calorie electrolyte tablet that disolves in the water.
3 is a water bottle with water and a few servings of Gel in it.

I usually fill the aero bottle (the one between my handlebars) with the water and NuuN
I drink that constantly as I'm trying to stay hydrated.  It also has a quick fill top so you can refill it while riding.

The ones down on the bike tubes are what I fill with the infinit and the gell/water combo.

For runs I will fill 1 or 2 of those Gel bottles with a couple servings of gel and then add water, shake to mix.

When you are running you want easily digestible stuff.  You don't want things sitting in your stomach.  You may tolerate something in the stomach a little better on the bike.