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I have a NORMAL size cousin who is vegan but she doesn't have a compromised gut. One of her boyfriends who was also a vegan AND a doctor admitted to me that the DS NEEDS the meat based protein.

Now, I know MY surgeon will also not do a DS on a vegan/vegetarian. We need meat too much and carbs are not usually GUT friendly. We get bloat and gas and WEIGHT GAIN with carbs and that includes any beans or quinoa which is a GRAIN (CARB)

All the vegan protein is carb based...a VAST majority of DS'ers can not eat carbs without bloating or gas or diarrhea or all of those.

For comparison:

1 OZ of Quinoa

Total Fat 1.64g		3%
	Saturated Fat 0.167g	1%
	Polyunsaturated Fat 0.665g
	Monounsaturated Fat 0.435g
Cholesterol 0mg		0%
Sodium 6mg		0%
Potassium 210mg
Total Carbohydrate 19.53g		7%
	Dietary Fiber 1.7g	7%
	Sugars -
Protein 3.71g

1 oz of meat (used skinless chicken breast for this but the skin slauthered in butter is the best part)

:

Calories 35
% Daily Values*
Total Fat 1.39g		2%
	Saturated Fat 0.391g	2%
	Polyunsaturated Fat 0.296g
	Monounsaturated Fat 0.541g
Cholesterol 15mg		5%
Sodium 71mg		3%
Potassium 44mg
Total Carbohydrate 0g		0%
	Dietary Fiber 0g	0%
	Sugars 0g
Protein 5.32g

Notice almost double the protein in the chicken and NO CARBS. To lose weight WITH a DS (notice I did not say the RNY), we need to limit our carb intake to about 75 if counting NET carbs or 100 if counting ALL carbs. I can eat meat all day loing without going over my carb limit. I would easily go over if I ate something like beans or quinoa.

And yes, without the added info of surgeon, date, etc in the person's profile, we DO have to go off the information left...and yes, the ticker is one way.

Liz

 

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I couldn't eat meat or solids for the first 6 months post D.S. All my meals and snacks were fluids. I tried lots of different protein, made my stomach hurt. I was able to maintain good protein levels on labs with a variety of protein drinks-  protein juice mix, plain protein powder mixed into my soups, protein hot chocolate and protein coffee with heavy cream. I tried lots of protein shake mixes. I like Dymatize Elite protein mixes best, adding 1/2 C heavy cream to each serving of double scoops  protein mix and 16 oz water= 50g protein, no carbs in the cream, a few carbs in the mix. I have 3 of these shakes a day, and one meal of 1 C solids- chicken, vegies, and 2 C of full fat, full sugar ice cream every night. My calcium labs are great, even though I often forget to have all my calcium supplements. My nutritionist approved of the ice cream, said it was good for me. Even with my D.S. I dont go out of my way to eat fat, fatty meat, or any meat unless I feel like it. Nuts, cheese, yogurt , tofu are all good protein sources. Beans have too many carbs, and cause too much gas. 

My surgeon wouldn't give the D.S. to a true non meat eating vegan. I have heard him addressing this issue in his new patient lectures. My daily journal diet, checked by all my surgeons team has been approved from beginning to end until I reached my goal weight the first 8 months. The suggested carbs were never over 50 carbs a day. I tried to be as low as possible- 20-30 the whole 8 months. I never cheated during this time.  Now I don't count carbs, eat what ever I like, as long as I have enough protein usually with the protein shakes. I watch the scale daily, if my weight increases a few lbs, I eliminate the extra carbs. For the past 6 months I have been able to maintain my weight within 2-3 lbs either side of 120. I never feel hungry, or crave any foods I cant have because I can have them and still maintain my weight. Carbs are useful to maintain, to keep my weight from dropping too low. Watching my labs, taking the necessary vitamins and supplements are keeping me healthy.

I recently found out I am allergic to eggs, shrimp, lobster, fish, tuna, hazel nuts, pecans. I usually eat chicken, occasionally steak, rarely hamburger,  tomato meat sauce usually with cheese ravioli. I stay away from processed meats like bacon, ham, turkey... because of the added salt, and nitrates which are thought to cause cancer. There are nitrate free hot dogs, if you like hot dogs. If you are lactose intolerant hot dogs are on the "No" list. My food choices are more natural, plain fresh foods. My allergy protein foods, which are more sensitivities than true allergies,  are the cause of my stomach pains trying to eat solid protein. I am very bored with chicken, cant look at it to even think of any new recipes. Sams rotiserie chicken is still the best for flavor and moistness, important for me to be able to eat chicken. Usually I make chicken wings, have 2, then I'm full. The protein drinks, and protein soups, adding plain protein powder to anything I  can think of is all working for me.

Lots of prospective weight loss surgery people read all these boards and determine which WLS is right for them. I like to see the variety of methods people use to have success with reaching their goals. There are many ways to be successful, but I like the D.S. best, and couldn't picture myself being happy with any of the other surgeries. I changed my nutritionist and surgeons diet suggestions to suit my tastes, keeping within the basic guidelines. I like the Atkins diet,  used it most of my life and was very used to the type of food choices. This is why I chose the D.S. to have my typical foods, along with keeping the pylorus, no dumping  and most chance of  maintaining my goal weight,  Nsaids allowed, comorbidities solved too.  There are lots of protein food/drink choices I have found on line at Diet Direct, and Bariatric Choice,( free shipping with a min order).  Search the internet for endless places to find quality protein. The Medicine Shop has Dymatize Elite. On line sources have more Dymatize flavors, all of them are great.  ;-)

Good for you!!

Good that she eats animal protein, that is.

Mer attacked me over on the revisions forum too.

 

What a piece of work..... almost troll-like

If you eat too little, your body will go into starvation mode, hold on to the fat you are trying to lose. The vili lining your intestines, which absorb nutrition will increase in numbers, causing a more efficient system preventing starvation. Eat more to lose, really. My mom had me on starvation diets since 7 yrs old. Starving  caused me to gain, crave carbs, and be overweight all my life.

My gym trainer is a vegan, wont eat any meat at all. We compared diets, she is thin and muscular. Working out for hours a day has helped her have a perfect body. I work out at the gym and do a lot of extreme gardening at home for hours. The days I work up a sweat, I lose 2 lbs, and keep it off.

Yes there are different protein sources, but not all are utilized by the body the same way. Meat is the best for our bodies to function, and cell  repair, recovery, muscle building and  maintaining. Without enough of the right protein and having the D.S., your body will cannibalize itself for its protein needs. I do need to eat more meat, a thick rare steak a few times a month does wonders. The further out from surgery you are the more foods are appealing. I have 2 meds that cut my appetite. Some days no food appeals to me. I can always drink some kind of protein. Keep trying different kinds of meat. go out to dinner, share some different kinds of meat with your family. Sometimes it tastes better if you dont have to prepare it.

It I eat more I regurgitate. I literally eat until I can't just to consume that much food as is. For now and the immediate future I will just suffer through the unending meat consumption. Once I reach maintenance mode I will get more into the raw lifestyle. I still theorize it can be done but I don't want to jeapordise losing weight. Better to deal with it from maintenance mode where I can stand a 5 pound gain trying to prove my theory. Until then I will incorporate more green juice which is similar to V8 just home made.

Have you tried other more tender options?  Meat is difficult at first, and I understand being so tired of it.  Go for the tenderest of meats, like pot roast other slow-cooked options..with gravy and sauce.  It really makes a difference.

Some of my favorite go-to's early out was Ricotta Fluff.  I mixed ricotta cheese with instant pudding with just enough cream to get the texture I liked.  I could change flavors to keep from getting too bored from it.  I did the same thing with Thelma Salad, mixing cottage cheese with jello and a little fruit.  These both were much lighter on the stomach and both are very rich in protein.  You can make the very insides of lasagna minus the noodles.  I still love that, for pasta is simply a vehicle for good things, and I can avoid it pretty easily.  For eggs, I made a custard with splenda.  Because dense protein was so difficult at first, I usually only had one meal of it and ate lots of stuff like this, especially because I couldn't stand any of the protein supplements.  The flavor of whey turned my stomach.

and every one of those suggestions is vegetarian. Very good! You can eat protein with out cow's flesh.

There are different types of vegetarians. Some do eat cheese eggs milk

Some don't

But with a lot of research and a dietician who understands your surgery and it's specific needs for high protein (and fat, which personally disgusts me).

Ds'ers only absorb 20% of the fat they consume.. which sadly means you have to have a fairly high intake of fat. Have you thought of other ways to get that concentration of fat in?

Good luck Jaiart. Try checking out the nutrition section on  here as well as recipes.

 

Have you tried other more tender options?  Meat is difficult at first, and I understand being so tired of it.  Go for the tenderest of meats, like pot roast other slow-cooked options..with gravy and sauce.  It really makes a difference.

The last time *I* made pot roast, I used cow!

While the rest of her suggestions are ovo-lacto vegetarian...what you may fail to realize is that MANY of us become lactose intolerant after the DS. And while they are workable options, the OP stated in an earlier thread she was cutting out even dairy and eggs...as in just plants and veggies.

And just food for thought: Sorry, vegans: Eating meat and cooking food made us human

At the core of this research is the understanding that the modern human brain consumes 20 percent of the body's energy at rest, twice that of other primates. Meat and cooked foods were needed to provide the necessary calorie boost to feed a growing brain.