Kwashiorkor

ckassin
on 7/17/12 10:37 am - Sterling Heights, MI
I had Duodenal Switch in 1999.  Went from 410 to 155-165 over a period of 2 years.  Then I lost more and was holding at about 145-150.

Have malabsorption issues with most items and get iron infusions several times per year.

Recently over the past 6 months or so I
 lost more weight and am down to about 128. I am skin and bones for me.  It was discovered that I have slightly elevated liver enzymes which led them to do an Utrasound and CT Scan of liver.  I've been diagnsed with Fatty Liver Disease and they say that can be reversed with diet.  So I'm eating only lean meats, veggies, fruit, salad, cereal and whole grains.  I must avoid fatty and sugary items, processed foods, alcohol, tylenol and anything that can put a strain on my liver.

In doing some research...it seems I may have Kwashiorkor Disease...which can lead to Fatty Liver Disease.  I  have all symptoms of Kwashiorkor.

Does anyone have this disease and can you tell me anything about your experience with it?

Thank you...Cheryl



Virgo64
on 7/17/12 2:41 pm
Cheryl,

Is there supposed to be a direct correlation between your post ds diet and Kwashiorkor Disease?  I am pre-op and I hear all the comments about high fat levels that others eat after the surgery and I'm curious as to whether or not there is a link.

Thanks
ckassin
on 7/18/12 2:19 am - Sterling Heights, MI
I'm not sure if there is a confirmed direct link that Kwashiorkor or fatty liver disease result from DS surgery and the malnourishment that happens because of it.

I'm investigating it all as I was led to believe there might be a connection.

I personally do not absorb much as I should from food...so I'm looking to better that absorbtion from food and supplements.  Like iron infusions. I do not absorb much iron in pill form and what I do absorb is not worth the digestive problems iron supplements cause.  So I'll have to have iron infusions rest of my life.

Back in 1999 when I had the surgury...they didn't know as much as they know now.

Would I do it again...absolutely!!!  :-)
CriscoNinja
on 7/18/12 1:48 am
DS on 06/05/12
Have you had your labs checked lately? How much protein are you getting in per day?
Well I used to have a link here, but you know how that goes...
ckassin
on 7/19/12 2:57 am - Sterling Heights, MI
Thanks for responding...

I've not had my levels specifically checked in 6 months...when I had a complete check up then my family doctor told me protein looked OK.  Though a lot can happen in 6 months.

I don't track protein in detail but I'd guess approx 90 as I have lots of cheese, greek yogurt, and meat for dinner and lunch.

It seems I need to start tracking it, see my surgeon or nutritionalist to get real levels...etc.
shannn
on 7/18/12 1:54 am - Knoxville , TN
 This sounds a lot like the symptoms if protein malnutrition. Have it checked! 
~shannon
"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." ~E. Roosevelt


(Ticker includes 11 pounds lost in pre-op diet.) 

ckassin
on 7/19/12 3:12 am - Sterling Heights, MI
Thanks Shannon...will do!
MsBatt
on 7/18/12 2:21 am
How many grams of protein are you eating daily? Has this changed since you diagnosis? Has anyone suggested treating you with pancreatic enzymes?

Kwashiorkor is a form of protein malnutrition. Pancreatic enzymes will help you better absorb protein.

As a DSer, you only absorb about 20% of the fat you eat. I doubt your doctor realizes this---most doctors, even some bariatric ones, don't. Eating a low-fat diet isn't going to do anything for you except make you constipated. Exactly what sort of doctor is treating you for this? PCP? Endocrinologist? Who did your DS, and do you still see him or her for your annual blookwork?
ckassin
on 7/19/12 3:08 am - Sterling Heights, MI
I've never tracked protein grams in detail but I'd guess about 90 grams due to eating a lot of cheese, greek yogurt and meat for lunch and dinner.

Just been a few weeks since I was told I had fatty liver. Going to get blood drawn next week.  I'll see if he can check protein.

Almost seems like a catch 22 situation...have fatty liver becuase of too little protein and too much fat...and eating a low fat high protein diet will make me lose more weight.

I have tried the enzymes 2 years a go but surgeon said I didn[t need them any long.  The are called Zenpep.  I have some...I suppose it wouldn't hurt to take them.

Thanks for the info on fat...I'll mention to doctor.  He is says the high fat diet caused fatty liver.

I have seen a family doctor as am mostly seeing a hematologist.oncologist as he is monitoriing my iron levels and many other vitamins as well as liver function.  He is the one who diagnosed fatty liver.  I saw an endocrinologist years ago but she didn't seem to know much about bypass patients.  Haven't seen my surgeon in about 1 year.  I suppose I should him and/or a nutritionalist specializing in bypass surgery.  Overdo for that.

Thanks for your response and advise!

If anyone wants to email directly feel free to:  [email protected].
MsBatt
on 7/19/12 5:25 am
On July 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM Pacific Time, ckassin wrote:
I've never tracked protein grams in detail but I'd guess about 90 grams due to eating a lot of cheese, greek yogurt and meat for lunch and dinner.

Just been a few weeks since I was told I had fatty liver. Going to get blood drawn next week.  I'll see if he can check protein.

Almost seems like a catch 22 situation...have fatty liver becuase of too little protein and too much fat...and eating a low fat high protein diet will make me lose more weight.

I have tried the enzymes 2 years a go but surgeon said I didn[t need them any long.  The are called Zenpep.  I have some...I suppose it wouldn't hurt to take them.

Thanks for the info on fat...I'll mention to doctor.  He is says the high fat diet caused fatty liver.

I have seen a family doctor as am mostly seeing a hematologist.oncologist as he is monitoriing my iron levels and many other vitamins as well as liver function.  He is the one who diagnosed fatty liver.  I saw an endocrinologist years ago but she didn't seem to know much about bypass patients.  Haven't seen my surgeon in about 1 year.  I suppose I should him and/or a nutritionalist specializing in bypass surgery.  Overdo for that.

Thanks for your response and advise!

If anyone wants to email directly feel free to:  [email protected].
Darlin'; you've got something serious going on---and I think the doctors you're seeing don't have a clue about it.

You need to find yourself a seriously good bariatric physician. Not necessarily a bariatric SURGEON---you don't need someone to cut and sew, you need someone who understands the post-op physiology of the DS. Sadly, VERY FEW physicians do. And you DO NOT NEED someone specializing in"bypass" surgery---typically, "bypass" refers to the RNY/gastric bypass, which bears little or no resemblance to the DS. Certainly our post-op needs are VERY different.

90 grams of protein is really on the low side for any DSer. Most of us eat a minimum of 125, on up to 200 grams a day. Do you know your common channel length?

I seriously doubt you actually have fatty liver disease. I think you need better testing. Unless you're sitting eating lard with a spoon, it's rather hard for a DSer to consume, consistantly, too much fat. You MAY be eating too much of the wrong kinds of fat---but again, that's highly problemamatic.

Again---WHO is your surgeon? People here may be able to help you understanding your surgeon's post-op protocol. Just because someone's a good surgeon does NOT mean he or she knows diddley about post-DS nutrition.
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