Why I will no longer be suggesting ANYONE uses Dr. Cirangle

liveinphx
on 3/21/11 12:53 am - Phoenix, AZ

I am hugely successful with the sleeve and not low carbing it. Several others are successful not low carbing either. Obviously I do not eat unlimited carbs but I eat around 100 gms per day and maintain easily, I am physically active by choice which would be true regardless of procedure.
I think those folks on the sleeve board that live that super low carb, super low calorie, super deprived life post op are, as you pointed out unhealthy. The fact that they are so rabid about their  belief in what they are doing borders on cultish.

Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
liveinphx
on 3/21/11 12:56 am - Phoenix, AZ
On March 21, 2011 at 7:53 AM Pacific Time, liveinphx wrote:

I am hugely successful with the sleeve and not low carbing it. Several others are successful not low carbing either. Obviously I do not eat unlimited carbs but I eat around 100 gms per day and maintain easily, I am physically active by choice which would be true regardless of procedure.
I think those folks on the sleeve board that live that super low carb, super low calorie, super deprived life post op are, as you pointed out unhealthy. The fact that they are so rabid about their  belief in what they are doing borders on cultish.

Let me also add that I think some of their definitions of "success" are also a bit out of whack. I supposed if I "had" to wear a size 0 and to be "successful" I might need to eat 600-800 calories per day also at 2 years out. To me that is not success that is obsessed.

Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
Jen C.
on 3/22/11 11:32 pm
Wow, no wonder everyone is blocking you. I had to read it for myself, you really are being nasty.

Unhealthy? Rabid? Cultish? I don't understand why you are so defensive and angry at people just because their bodies work differently than yours.

Carbs do not work well with my body. They cause cravings, and fatigue, and they make my skin break out. I ate low carb before surgery, and I eat low carb now, because it makes me feel satisfied, and I have more energy, and I'm not bloated, and other reasons as well. (I am one of the high fat low carbers by the way. Drinking coffee with lots and lots of cream right now.)

Is it really so threatening to you that some of us have found a different path to success than yours? Why do you care so much?
 
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Ms. Cal Culator
on 3/22/11 11:55 pm - Tuvalu
On March 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM Pacific Time, Jen4404 wrote:
Wow, no wonder everyone is blocking you. I had to read it for myself, you really are being nasty.

Unhealthy? Rabid? Cultish? I don't understand why you are so defensive and angry at people just because their bodies work differently than yours.

Carbs do not work well with my body. They cause cravings, and fatigue, and they make my skin break out. I ate low carb before surgery, and I eat low carb now, because it makes me feel satisfied, and I have more energy, and I'm not bloated, and other reasons as well. (I am one of the high fat low carbers by the way. Drinking coffee with lots and lots of cream right now.)

Is it really so threatening to you that some of us have found a different path to success than yours? Why do you care so much?


You are a year-and-a-half post-op.  You haven't "FOUND" anything, yet.

If/when the solid majority of people who have the Sleeve do well after five years, your claims might be worth listening to.  Meanwhile, they are simply hot air, without any basis in fact.




Jen C.
on 3/23/11 2:30 am
I don't necessarily think the majority of people who have the sleeve will do well after 5 years. I never said that was the case, so I'm not sure what "claims" you are referring to. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else?

I can only tell you what works for me, right now. And of course I started with a BMI of only 38, so I recognize I have an easier time of it than those who started with higher BMIs. The sleeve, in my opinion, is a much weaker tool than the DS.
 
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liveinphx
on 3/24/11 12:15 am - Phoenix, AZ
Not sure why you chose to come over here and re-ignite this when it, by my own doing, had been "dialed down" on the sleeve board but I will address your "concerns".
What I was "threatened" by was the attitude on the board that anyone who was not ultra low  carbing was somehow wrong. This is based on several things not the least of which was at least one post where I was told that the reason folks that were doing higher carbs were intimidate to post was because they secretly felt guilty and ashamed about what they were doing. You bet I consider that attitude rabid and folks that think like that having a cult-like attitude.
As far as unhealthy goes damn right I think 600-800 calories several years out is unhealthy and do many other folks in the nutrition and bariatric fields.
The reason I "care" is because of the PM's I was getting from folks that felt intimidate to post about their own journey which did NOT include low carbs.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
Elizabeth N.
on 3/21/11 4:44 am - Burlington County, NJ
What do you really eat daily in carbs? Chances are very, very good that if you don't control your carbs, getting the intestinal portion of the DS won't do you a bit of good.
Chad M.
on 3/21/11 1:24 am - Indianapolis, IN
 I think the crux of it is right here:

He also thinks DS people use the surgery as a justification for making bad food choices.  

In other words, he's a fatty hater who thinks that you need to WORK for it, rather than have it "given" to you with the DS **** him.
Elizabeth N.
on 3/21/11 4:45 am - Burlington County, NJ
 Hear hear.
P. Poster
on 3/23/11 12:55 am
 Ding, ding.  *LIKE*  If you don't struggle, sweat and beg for EVERY pound lost, you haven't learned your lesson, you haven't paid the proverbial piper, you haven't lost your "bad habits", you haven't "reformed", you haven't deserved success, ad nauseum.  Fuck that and the low fat, bland, baked chicken it rode in on.
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