Why I will no longer be suggesting ANYONE uses Dr. Cirangle
What does that number even MEAN? 20% incidence of severe complications - does that mean that 20% of the people in his practice are non-compliant? I think that is more likely than 20% of people who are compliant having unresolvable issues like osteoporosis. And if they do, then a revision of their common channel should be done.
How many NORMAL women in the US get osteoporosis anyway? Would he count them if they respond to treatment? Nonsense - he was pandering to his VSGers.
How many NORMAL women in the US get osteoporosis anyway? Would he count them if they respond to treatment? Nonsense - he was pandering to his VSGers.
Like long term low carbing is going to do an awful lot of good for their glomular filtration rate and then their liver function. Oh what stirling advice. It is one thing to eat high protein when we malabsorb but quite another to advocate putting someone into almost permanent ketosis and act like a saint for doing it whilst work the liver like a South Korean shoe factory. What about the long range effects on the organs?
Just as well no one can tolerate that level of deprivation being former fatties (one juncture where self defeating food behaviors have NOT let us down). And also we DSers CAN and often do have good dietary control (except me but I'm in remission). I do so love a sweeping generalisation!
Beuler Beuler....
Just as well no one can tolerate that level of deprivation being former fatties (one juncture where self defeating food behaviors have NOT let us down). And also we DSers CAN and often do have good dietary control (except me but I'm in remission). I do so love a sweeping generalisation!
Beuler Beuler....
RIP Mickie aka Happychick. You will be missed deeply.
Dr Cirangle has a God complex, I would not use him for the DS or even the sleeve in which he is credited as having done the most in the WORLD, still wouldn't go to him at all, and I would never go to him or any other medical professional that didn't support the DS, being a PCP, endo, surgeon etc. for example Dr Fielding believes the lap band is the best wls for all patients, Dr K believes the DS is the best wls for all patients, but most believe it is RNY especially following the australian and european high % of lap band failures in the last few years, as they are about a decade ahead of the US.
the DS is not main stream, there are very strong opinions, feeling, likes, dislikes etc in the medical and general community. The DS is not for everyone for different reasons, it was the best for me, hence the reason why I chose it.
There must have been some serious issues for Dr Jossart to up and leave the practice...
the DS is not main stream, there are very strong opinions, feeling, likes, dislikes etc in the medical and general community. The DS is not for everyone for different reasons, it was the best for me, hence the reason why I chose it.
There must have been some serious issues for Dr Jossart to up and leave the practice...
First let me say I am not defending Dr Cirangle or even making this about VSG vs DS.
What you may or may not know is that most of the folks that post on that board are die-hard no/low carb groupies that believe Atkins type eating, low fat type eating is the road to peace, happiness and weightloss. They truly are fanatical and do their best to indoctricate others. They do not take kindly to new ideas or other paths to the summit.
While it might be words right out of Dr C's playbook it also may be their version of what they think they may have heard him say and then they repeated for the other groupie types to worship at the low carb/low fat deprivation is the keys to the kingdom altar.
What you may or may not know is that most of the folks that post on that board are die-hard no/low carb groupies that believe Atkins type eating, low fat type eating is the road to peace, happiness and weightloss. They truly are fanatical and do their best to indoctricate others. They do not take kindly to new ideas or other paths to the summit.
While it might be words right out of Dr C's playbook it also may be their version of what they think they may have heard him say and then they repeated for the other groupie types to worship at the low carb/low fat deprivation is the keys to the kingdom altar.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
On March 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM Pacific Time, m h wrote:
Atkins type eating is low-carb but not low fat. I cannot imagine anything more miserable than doing Atkins along with low fat. Good grief!
I continue to have a hard time wrapping my brain around these hard core must deprive myself fanatics that believe the must live this way post op with the sleeve.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
Ms. Cal Culator
on 3/20/11 9:38 am, edited 3/21/11 12:08 am - Tuvalu
on 3/20/11 9:38 am, edited 3/21/11 12:08 am - Tuvalu
Not, at this point, commenting on Cirangle or surgery types either...I wonder why they would ever consider surgery if living on 20g of carbs a day is such a reasonable thing to do. They could just go on with their diet madness and save the money?!?
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