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Mishelle R.
on 7/16/09 3:03 pm
Topic: RE: type 1 - wls - enough carbs to avoid DKA
Had gotten my wires crossed in the translation.

I had red posts about folks being hospitalized with what turned out to be keytone issues, and reaching acidic levels in the blood.  But now I can not find the postings _ i know it was from non diabetic people.  And i know I can have keytone issues if i have a stomach virus and haven't eaten for a long time.   (Typically never ever have keytones when bgs are high)

So wanted to know how someone who is only starting of with 5 cho in an 8oz protien shake going to function normally.   Guess thats actually going to be a few grams more - when your drinking 2 oz every 2 to 3 hours for the first week post op.

Lived a long time always focusing on carbs, and how much insulin I was going to require to cover myself. Now thats going to be changing.  Getting there
Mishelle R.
on 7/16/09 2:53 pm
Topic: RE: If you are Type 2 and considering WLS...
I'm glad that folks are being pro-active and testing. I see to often folks that tell me, Oh this cured me of my diabetes. They just don't want to hear is that it is still there. 

Just need to maintain it or by the time you realize something isn't going right it could be too late. So many times folks have had diabetes 10 years before they know it. Why? because it normally takes about 10 years for complications to set in.


So even if your off medications (GREAT)  still continue to periodically test - and maintain your ha1c every 6 months to be the healthiest for life!

Mishelle R.
on 7/16/09 2:43 pm
Topic: RE: Diabetic No More
Being type 2, with the suddent weight loss, I always wonder if the pancrease is still used to spitting out the high levels of insulin and hasn't quite gotten the hang of the idea, oh wait I don't need to do that anymore.

Non WLS i always say - have protien with your carbs.. so now i wonder if you need a little carb with the protien to keep the sugars up enough.


See diabetes I know - type 1 for 24 years - putting the pieces together with WLS -  learning all i can.

(deactivated member)
on 7/15/09 2:23 am
Topic: Low Blood Sugar symptoms
Hi all. I’m pre-op for VSG, and I’ve noticed on here that several people mention they have developed reactive hypoglycemia after WLS. I’ve had reactive hypoglycemia for years, most likely due to severe dieting/fasting/bulimia when I was younger (10 years ago) and a family history of diabetes. I didn’t get my official diagnosis of reactive hypoglycemia until a year ago, when my symptoms had gotten progressively worse and more frequent. For a while there I thought I was just hopelessly mental, but now I know how much havoc low blood sugar can wreak on physical and emotional health. I currently have about 90% of the symptoms in the following list. It’s not fun!!

Symptoms of persons with reactive hypoglycemia (note: not ALL symptoms need to be present to have hypoglycemia, and some are more common than others, but the more you have on a regular basis, the more likely it is that you have reactive hypoglycemia, which is causing these symptoms):

"motor mouth" (constant talking)
accident prone
aching eye sockets
alcoholism
allergies
anxiety
asocial behavior
asthma
backache and muscle pain
bad breath
blurred vision
cold hands and/or feet
cold sweats
coma
concentration problems
convulsions with no known cause
craving for sweets
crying spells
depression
digestive problems
dilated pupils
dizziness
drowsiness
excessive sweating
exhaustion
fainting/blackouts
family history of diabetes or low blood sugar
feel best after 7 pm
feeling of going mad, insane
forgetfulness
gasping for breath
headaches
heart palpitations
impotence
indecisiveness
internal trembling
irritability
itching and crawling sensations on skin
lack of sex drive
mental confusion
migraines
mood swings
muscle pains
negative thoughts and attitudes
nervousness
nightmares
obesity
phobias
PMS
restlessness
sensitivity to light
sensitivity to noise
shortness of breath
sighing and yawning
skin tags
sleeping difficulties
sneezing
staggering
suicidal thoughts or tendencies
temper outbursts
tiredness
tremors
vertigo
visual disturbances
waking up tired and exhausted
weakness
worrying excessively and unnecessarily

 

I’m posting this list for those of you who have been diagnosed with reactive hypoglycemia (which seems to happen to some people after RNY) and want to know what symptoms are related to it. This is not meant to be a self-diagnosis tool, however, because other things could be causing some of these symptoms. If you think you might have it, let your doctor know!

If you do have it, eating high protein, low glycemic foods helps control the symptoms and keep blood sugar from getting too low. It’s best to eat frequent meals (every 2 to 3 hours) in small portions. Larger portions cause more of an insulin response, which in turn will cause the blood sugar to drop lower than with a smaller meal. It’s also best to avoid stress (ha! as if), caffeine, sugars/carbs on an empty stomach, and most artificial sweeteners.

I’ve found the book “The Low Blood Sugar Handbook” to be very helpful in understanding more about reactive hypoglycemia and how to manage it better.

This seems to happen to some of those who have had RNY, right? Has anyone with other types of WLS had problems with developing hypoglycemia post-op? If so, please let me know, because I’m hoping the VSG will help with my low blood sugar problems, not make it worse!

 

Ginger R.
on 7/13/09 11:04 am - Blue Bell, PA
Topic: RE: 3 months after surgery...
That is awesome news!!
Onderland reached 2/21/10
   *MY* goal weight 9/14/10    I'm just holding on tight and going with with the flow!!  
(deactivated member)
on 7/13/09 3:30 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: 3 months after surgery...
...and my HBA1C is 5.4 with a fasting glucose of 90!

The morning of surgery, my fasting glucose was 180-something, and my A1Cs within 45 days prior to my surgery were 8.1 and 7.9.

I'm now on less than half the meds I was on before surgery (2500mg metformin and 50mcg Januvia pre-op), and I'm well on my way to full resolution. I've been on 1000mg metformin daily since surgery, and with these latest results, I'm currently cut back to 500mg metformin daily - nothing else - and as long as my numbers stay this good, we'll kick that metformin completely in a few more months.

And I still have over 100 pounds to lose, so it's not like it's resolved because I'm near a normal weight...
danwilson
on 7/6/09 3:29 pm
Topic: RE: Treating Lows Post Op
On June 8, 2009 at 10:46 AM Pacific Time, gianeroma wrote:
It's no different for me.  If I feel like it's dropping, I eat half an apple or some little snack that's healthy.  Just check your glocuse often to make sure you know where you are.  At some point you will need to get off all meds but for now check on regular basis and eat what you are allowed to eat. 
I haven't lost much weight yet but my glucose is much lower than pre op.  Hope this helps you.
Giane
Normally, everything you eat will be processed by your body and turn into a form of sugar called glucose. This glucose is where your body gets energy, but before your body gets this energy, your body needs to pump the glucose (that was previously produce from eating) to every cell of your body with the help of insulin. Insulin are basically produce by the pancreas. Any abnormal behavior within the process would result in either Type 1 (mostly, hereditary) or Type 2 diabetes which is often cause by being overweight (obese) or sedentary (non-active) lifestyle.
 
A good and thorough explanation about diabetes can be found at diabetes-research.net. Their intensive diabetes research helps individual to know more about diabetes and shows some tips/ways on how to prevent and minimize the effects of diabetes and most of all they provide menu plans for diabetics.
danwilson
on 7/6/09 3:26 pm
Topic: RE: Treating Lows Post Op
Normally, everything you eat will be processed by your body and turn into a form of sugar called glucose. This glucose is where your body gets energy, but before your body gets this energy, your body needs to pump the glucose (that was previously produce from eating) to every cell of your body with the help of insulin. Insulin are basically produce by the pancreas. Any abnormal behavior within the process would result in either Type 1 (mostly, hereditary) or Type 2 diabetes which is often cause by being overweight (obese) or sedentary (non-active) lifestyle.
 
A good and thorough explanation about diabetes can be found at diabetes-research.net. Their intensive diabetes research helps individual to know more about diabetes and shows some tips/ways on how to prevent and minimize the effects of diabetes and most of all they provide menu plans for diabetics.
(deactivated member)
on 7/6/09 4:16 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: If you are Type 2 and considering WLS...
Yet more...

ASMBS: Obesity Surgery Resolves Diabetes but for How Long?

  • As many as 90% of patients had improved glucose control following bariatric surgery, investigators told attendees at the American Society of Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery.

"Beyond three years after Roux-en-Y gastric bypass there is a significant cohort of patients that experiences recurrence or worsening of their diabetes after an initial period of resolution or improvement," said Daniel Rosen, MD, of Columbia University in New York. "Poor weight loss and more weight regain were seen in the recurrence/worsening group."

"Before widespread acceptance and implementation of bariatric surgery as definitive treatment for diabetes, further study of this recurrence phenomenon is indicated."

Roux-en-Y gastric bypass led to early resolution of diabetes in 153 of 172 (89%) obese patients with type 2 diabetes, said Silas Chikunguwo, MD, of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond.

Patients who had complete resolution of diabetes had lost an average 70% of excess weight, and their mean body mass index (BMI) decreased from 50 to 31. The remaining 19 patients had persistent diabetes despite excess weight loss that averaged 58%, said Dr. Chikunguwo.

During follow-up of five to 16 years, 66 of the 153 patients (43.1%) had recurrence of diabetes, which was associated with weight regain.

Mean excess weight loss declined from 66% to 48.9% in patients who had recurrent disease.

"Long-term weight control appears important for durable resolution of type 2 diabetes," said Dr. Chikunguwo.

Data from New York University showed that 53% of patients with type 2 diabetes remained medication free five years after undergoing laparoscopic adjustable gastric banding.

In addition, the proportion of patients requiring oral hypoglycemic agents declined from 75% before the procedure to 39% at five years, said NYU's Samuel Sultan. Overall, 80% of the patients were medication free or on lower doses.

The analysis comprised 95 morbidly obese patients with type 2 diabetes who had weight-loss surgery from 2002 to 2004. Median and mean follow-up was five years.

Excess weight loss at five years averaged 48.3%. Mean BMI decreased from 46.3 at baseline to 35 (P<0.001), fasting glucose from 146 to 118.5 mg/dL (P=0.004), and hemoglobin A1c from 7.53% to 6.58% (P<0.001).

However, only 40% of patients met criteria for diabetes remission at five years: off all medication and either an HbA1c less than 6% or a blood glucose level less than 100 mg/dL.

Lack of diabetes remission at five years was associated with significantly lower excess weight loss (38.2% versus 57.3%, P=0.001).

Dr. Rosen presented data from a retrospective analysis of long-term results in 42 morbidly obese patients who had type 2 diabetes prior to gastric bypass surgery. The primary objective was to characterize patients who achieved long-term resolution of diabetes with those who improved but were not in remission.

Follow-up averaged five years, and all patients had been followed for at least three years.

He and his team defined resolution of diabetes as being off all diabetes medications plus either an HbA1c less than 6% or blood glucose less than 124 mg/dL. They defined improvement as a decrease in medication requirements.

Dr. Rosen said 27 patients met criteria for resolution after surgery and 15 were improved.

The high point for mean excess weight loss was 58.3%, and regained weight averaged 21%. Nine patients had weight-loss failure, defined as <50% excess weight loss.

Diabetes resolution was associated with slightly greater peak excess weight loss (61% versus 52%), fewer weight-loss failures, and lower baseline HbA1c and blood glucose levels.

Patients who had resolution of diabetes were significantly more likely to be on oral medications (P=0.0006), whereas significantly more patients who improved were on insulin preoperatively (P<0.0001).

During follow-up, 10 patients (24%) had either recurrence or worsening of diabetes.

Compared with patients who had no change in diabetes status at five years, recurrence and worsening were associated with:

  • Lower preoperative BMI (P=0.05)
  • Higher rate of weight loss failure (P=0.03)
  • Higher percentage of weight regained (P=0.002)
  • Higher postoperative blood glucose values (P=0.0002)

The reasons for diabetes recurrence are not entirely clear, said Dr. Rosen, but failure of the surgical procedure over time probably is not the cause. Upper gastrointestinal evaluations in five of seven patients with recurrence revealed no abnormalities.

tammyncook
on 7/5/09 10:50 pm - Osceola, WI
Topic: RE: Hypoglycemia & pancreas tumor
Apparently it's pretty common. I talked to my support group leader about it who is a dietician and she said that it's pretty common for most RNYers to start having these episodes around 9-12 months out.
I try to have 100% fruit juice when it happens because it works the best at bringing my blood sugar up quickly without making me sick from too much sugar because I don't have to have as much to bring my blood sugar up. Otherwise, if it catches me un-prepared I'll have a few drinks of sugared soda or whatever food is available. I keep a bag of Skittles in my car too- they seem to work for me and taste good too!
But you can always try the glucose tablets...
Tammy
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