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on 6/21/10 2:58 am - Woodbridge, VA
on 6/21/10 2:58 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: More questions on WLS and Type 2 Diabetes
I'm not going to get into the ridiculousness of everyone on a message board ensuring they not leave anything open for inference - I could infer multiple things from your posts, but I don't because I, as a reader on a public forum, have the responsibility of not jumping to conclusions and of finding additional resources to substantiate certain statements. Moving on...
I've posed the question to the audience of type 2 diabetics: how would you define "cured?" I'm astounded at how many say you can never be cured, period. I ask them if they have good glucose control (as in normal fastings, A1Cs, post-prandials, etc.), are off of medications, and can eat sweets/carbs without spiking, are they not cured? If this continues until the day they die, are they not cured? They argue that to truly be cured, you would have to be able to go back to eating crappy and still not have any problems, but that line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. Take your example of cancer - if you are cured of, say, lung cancer and see no signs of it for 10 years, then start smoking daily and end up with lung cancer again, I would argue that you have cancer AGAIN, not that it never went away to begin with. It's such a game of semantics - and, in some cases, stubbornness!
I've posed the question to the audience of type 2 diabetics: how would you define "cured?" I'm astounded at how many say you can never be cured, period. I ask them if they have good glucose control (as in normal fastings, A1Cs, post-prandials, etc.), are off of medications, and can eat sweets/carbs without spiking, are they not cured? If this continues until the day they die, are they not cured? They argue that to truly be cured, you would have to be able to go back to eating crappy and still not have any problems, but that line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. Take your example of cancer - if you are cured of, say, lung cancer and see no signs of it for 10 years, then start smoking daily and end up with lung cancer again, I would argue that you have cancer AGAIN, not that it never went away to begin with. It's such a game of semantics - and, in some cases, stubbornness!
(deactivated member)
on 6/21/10 1:31 am - Woodbridge, VA
on 6/21/10 1:31 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: More questions on WLS and Type 2 Diabetes
On June 21, 2010 at 7:30 AM Pacific Time, ilovedreamcatcher72 wrote:
As for your statement "the DS is NOT for everyone, and clearly, it's not for you, so best of luck to you with your RNY." Thank you for that sediment although myself I've never stated I am intending to or even considering WLS.
My very own misinterpretation! Based on the forum we're on, I made an assumption, and I think I also mixed a little of your story with the OP's - sorry bout that!
My very own misinterpretation! Based on the forum we're on, I made an assumption, and I think I also mixed a little of your story with the OP's - sorry bout that!
(deactivated member)
on 6/21/10 1:28 am - Woodbridge, VA
on 6/21/10 1:28 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: More questions on WLS and Type 2 Diabetes
In Beemerbeeper's defense, you are inferring, she is not stating, the 100% cure rate. I do know many people who say the DS cures T2DM while the RNY merely puts it in "remission," and they say this based on the long-term stats of recurrence. I think I used to say such as well but have since switched to just saying "resolved" since some people vehemently fight the idea of ANYTHING being a "cure." I am an active member of a large diabetes forum separate from OH, and when I initially mentioned that I wanted to get surgery primarily for my diabetes, you would have thought I'd told them I was going to chop off a limb or something - most of them thought I was crazy for doing something so "drastic" (as opposed to living with diabetes from the age of 25?), others fought me tooth and nail that there was no such thing as a cure for type 2 diabetes...it was mayhem, I tell you! I find the optimism here refreshing, regardless of surgery type, because at least here in the WLS community, we acknowledge that there IS hope (although I have also come across the "there is no cure" adamant posters here on OH as well, but not as often).
Sorry, think I strayed a bit from the intended topic, there...
Sorry, think I strayed a bit from the intended topic, there...
Topic: RE: More questions on WLS and Type 2 Diabetes
Thanks for responding Jill, I state that I too have no intentions of arguing back and forth. I asked for clarification on a misread statement you made. I offered up a point of view regarding perception along with a suggestion for which you could either accept or ignore.
As for your statement "the DS is NOT for everyone, and clearly, it's not for you, so best of luck to you with your RNY." Thank you for that sediment although myself I've never stated I am intending to or even considering WLS.
As for your statement "the DS is NOT for everyone, and clearly, it's not for you, so best of luck to you with your RNY." Thank you for that sediment although myself I've never stated I am intending to or even considering WLS.
(deactivated member)
on 6/20/10 9:42 pm - Woodbridge, VA
on 6/20/10 9:42 pm - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: More questions on WLS and Type 2 Diabetes
I'm not going to argue incessantly back and forth with you. I have been complimented by MANY on OH (by members with various surgery types) for my ability to NOT be "super sharp" in my approach, but rather for offering information and opinions without chastising, swearing, belittling, etc., and for being able to support my opinions and stances with studies, information directly from experienced bariatric dieticians, and the collective experiences of the hundreds of WLS patients I've communicated with extensively online and in person. If you choose to read more into my words than what is actually there, then that is your misinterpretation, not my misrepresentation. If you want a "super sharp" approach, I'd be happy to oblige, but that is generally not my style. If you had ever communicated with me prior to coming here and posting a passive-aggressively inflamatory post toward me, perhaps you would know that.
You ask why I am not "open to other options." Well, in short, this "other option" did not work for me (or did you not read my entire post before responding?). Further, why would I suggest a procedure proven to be less successful, especially in the long term, when a proven more successful option is available? If you've ever read my posts, they typically say something along the lines of, "I suggest you research the DS," or, "You might want to look into the DS as an option." If that translates to you as me telling people to GET the DS, then, again, that is your misinterpretation. And if you think I have the power to "force [my] WLS choice on others," then it seems you don't give researching pre-ops very much credit if they could be so easily swayed. What I promote is RESEARCHING and being AWARE of ALL options before making a decision. As I stated in my prior post, to which you responded, and have stated countless times before, the DS is NOT for everyone, and clearly, it's not for you, so best of luck to you with your RNY.
You ask why I am not "open to other options." Well, in short, this "other option" did not work for me (or did you not read my entire post before responding?). Further, why would I suggest a procedure proven to be less successful, especially in the long term, when a proven more successful option is available? If you've ever read my posts, they typically say something along the lines of, "I suggest you research the DS," or, "You might want to look into the DS as an option." If that translates to you as me telling people to GET the DS, then, again, that is your misinterpretation. And if you think I have the power to "force [my] WLS choice on others," then it seems you don't give researching pre-ops very much credit if they could be so easily swayed. What I promote is RESEARCHING and being AWARE of ALL options before making a decision. As I stated in my prior post, to which you responded, and have stated countless times before, the DS is NOT for everyone, and clearly, it's not for you, so best of luck to you with your RNY.
Topic: RE: More questions on WLS and Type 2 Diabetes
"Jill does NOT have a sleeve with "RnY type BYPASS", she has a sleeve with a much longer common channel than most DSers and longer than she was expecting." Like I said I was attempting not misunderstand what she had written thanks for clearing that notion. It is why I wrote "type" and yes for your personal information I do understand the differences between the intestinal configuration of the DS and RnY. I have 7 family members whom had either surgeries and 5 are thriving but unfortunately 2 did not live to do such.
As for "I'll leave you with just that tid bit so you can go research it for yourself and not continue to look like a fool when you post that DSers "generally force their WLS choice on others". You conveniently omitted the fact I said "Several Dsrs generally force WLS choice on others." During my time researching WLS the words "My (DS)surgery is the absolute & only best WLS ever.. your WLS could never compare" have been spouted at me by "several unsavoury Dsr's" in person, occasionally on this board & other boards. Did I refer to yourself personally.. NO. As per my knowledge I've never heard of you before. I am also willing to bet you're not like any of those unsavory DSr's. So might I ask why the venom since all I stated was a suggestion to how better be percieved over all and for her(JILL) to clarify something I was not clear about. I knew my words were going to be misread and possibly taken for an attack, which it was not.
As for "I'll leave you with just that tid bit so you can go research it for yourself and not continue to look like a fool when you post that DSers "generally force their WLS choice on others". You conveniently omitted the fact I said "Several Dsrs generally force WLS choice on others." During my time researching WLS the words "My (DS)surgery is the absolute & only best WLS ever.. your WLS could never compare" have been spouted at me by "several unsavoury Dsr's" in person, occasionally on this board & other boards. Did I refer to yourself personally.. NO. As per my knowledge I've never heard of you before. I am also willing to bet you're not like any of those unsavory DSr's. So might I ask why the venom since all I stated was a suggestion to how better be percieved over all and for her(JILL) to clarify something I was not clear about. I knew my words were going to be misread and possibly taken for an attack, which it was not.
Topic: RE: More questions on WLS and Type 2 Diabetes
Jill does NOT have a sleeve with "RnY type BYPASS", she has a sleeve with a much longer common channel than most DSers and longer than she was expecting.
There is a very big difference between the intestinal configuration of the DS and RnY.... I'll leave you with just that tid bit so you can go research it for yourself and not continue to look like a fool when you post that DSers "generally force their WLS choice on others". I am a DSer. I could care less what WLS you get -- and because you are obviously not that great at understanding simple anatomy, chances are you would not be a good candidate for the DS. What I care about is that people KNOW and UNDERSTAND their choices -- neither you nor the OP of this post does.
You are perpetuating inaccurate information and adding your scolding on top of it -- you would likely be better received if you knew what the hell you were talking about and weren't so judgmental on top of the inaccuracies.
Jill does NOT have a sleeve with "RnY type BYPASS", she has a sleeve with a much longer common channel than most DSers and longer than she was expecting.
There is a very big difference between the intestinal configuration of the DS and RnY.... I'll leave you with just that tid bit so you can go research it for yourself and not continue to look like a fool when you post that DSers "generally force their WLS choice on others". I am a DSer. I could care less what WLS you get -- and because you are obviously not that great at understanding simple anatomy, chances are you would not be a good candidate for the DS. What I care about is that people KNOW and UNDERSTAND their choices -- neither you nor the OP of this post does.
You are perpetuating inaccurate information and adding your scolding on top of it -- you would likely be better received if you knew what the hell you were talking about and weren't so judgmental on top of the inaccuracies.
~ I am the proud wife of a Guatemalan, but most people call me Kimberley
Highest Known Weight = 370# / 59.7 bmi @ 5'6"
Current Weight = 168# / 26.4 bmi : fluctuates 5# either way @ 5'7" / more than 90% EWL
Normal BMI (24.9) = 159#: would have to compromise my muscle mass to get here without plastics, so this is not a goal.
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my DS. Don't go into WLS without knowing ALL of your options: DSFacts.com
Topic: RE: How do I handle no meds for 3 days pre-surgery?
my doc says i will be taking my last shot of lantus and my last metformin twenty four hr post op i hope RNY will be my escape from diabetes
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