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(deactivated member)
on 11/10/10 10:25 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: Type 1.5 Diabetic
It varies by individual. Many do have a significant decrease in appetite post-VSG due to the drastic reduction of ghrelin; some, however, never really lose their appetite. However, even if the appetite remains, you can only hold so much in that new sleeved stomach, so very little food will quench that appetite as opposed to the seemingly bottomless pit of a stomach you probably have felt like you have  :)

You may or may not need to continue the medication after your VSG. Most can reduce or even discontinue meds simply because the early post-op diet is SO low in carbs that it is much easier to control blood glucose levels. Your endo/PCP/surgeon should work with you to determine the best course of action for your treatment of your diabetes.

cypip
on 11/10/10 2:55 am
Topic: Type 1.5 Diabetic
I was told that I am a Type 1.5 Diabetic. A Type I with Type II tendencies, weight gain with uncontrolled blood sugars.  I am currently taking Victoza 1.8mg.  My last A1c went from 9 to 7.6! And I have lost approximately 11 lbs.  So the drug is very effective.  Here is my question: I am considering VSG and would like to know is your appetitie severly depressed with this procedure? I have read other posts and individuals stated that post-op VSG they did not have hunger suppression. I am wondering if I need to continue my Victoza for blood sugar control along with the procedure.  Looking forward for your input/advice.

Christine 
MonaVie
on 11/8/10 4:26 pm
Topic: RE: new to the diabetic forum , my story
Thanks for sharing your information relaly now it is now a big problem but a simplly you can cure by using monavie juice or many more in market with carefully.

Mishelle R.
on 11/6/10 2:54 pm
Topic: RE: New to Forum and have questions!!
yeah good old chalk - works for the lows.  I also do milk to start with if not quite low enough.  Though I've stayed on my pump since surgery, no way I would go to shots. When you go back to the pump from lantus know that lantus has an extremely long life in the body, i do blieve it goes as far as 36 hours (not aseffective but still in the system if you know what I mean)  would look it up but right now, its too late LOL

Even a year out things are going well - and counting :)



Type 1 diabetic for 25 years - pumping for 12 years.

Mishelle R.
on 11/6/10 2:49 pm
Topic: RE: I had bypass 5 yrs ago and diabetis INSTANTLY went away.
get to your doctor and get treated, don't go walking around with 300 plus sugars - with out insulin.

Could of been years that your pancreas has been putting out so much, it finally is fatigued, metabolic issues, so many things can cause sugar flucuations - been sick, etc - go to the doctor and then get back on track - that would be my recommendation - but hey I'm just someone on the internet lol
(deactivated member)
on 11/6/10 1:15 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: I had bypass 5 yrs ago and diabetis INSTANTLY went away.
You're not alone - studies are showing that in many cases, the early remission of type 2 diabetes after RNY gastric bypass is NOT permanent. Here are a few related studies:

Potential For Resolving Type 2 Diabetes With Bariatric Surgery

ScienceDaily (Mar. 11, 2009) — As the incidence of obesity-induced type 2 diabetes mellitus continues to increase worldwide, medical research indicates that surgery to reduce obesity can completely eliminate all manifestations of diabetes.

In a study published in the March 2009 issue of The American Journal of Medicine, investigators analyzed 621 studies from 1990 to April of 2006, which showed that 78.1% of diabetic patients had complete resolution and diabetes was improved or resolved in 86.6% of patients as the result of bariatric surgery. The primary risk factor for type 2 diabetes is obesity, and 90% of all patients with type 2 diabetes are overweight or obese.

The dataset included 135,246 patients where 3188 patients reported resolution of the clinical and laboratory manifestations of type 2 diabetes. Nineteen studies with 11,175 patients reported both weight loss and diabetes resolution outcomes separately for the 4070 diabetic patients in those studies. Clinical findings were substantiated by the laboratory parameters of serum insulin, HbA1c, and glucose.

Researchers observed a progressive relationship of diabetes resolution and weight loss as a function of the operation performed: laparoscopic adjustable gastric banding, gastroplasty, gastric bypass, and biliopancreatic diversion/duodenal switch (BPD/DS). Gastric banding yielded 56.7% resolution, gastroplasty 79.7%, gastric bypass 80.3% and BPD/DS 95.1%. After more than 2 year post-operative, the corresponding resolutions were 58.3%, 77.5%, 70.9%, and 95.9%. In addition, the percent excess weight loss was 46.2%, 55.5%, 59.7% and 63.6%, for the type of surgery performed, respectively.

Writing in the article, Henry Buchwald, MD, PhD, Department of Surgery, University of Minnesota, states, "This systematic review and meta-analysis demonstrate that bariatric surgery has a powerful treatment effect in morbidly obese persons with type 2 diabetes; 82% of patients had resolution of the clinical and laboratory manifestations of diabetes in the first 2 years after surgery, and 62% remained free of diabetes more than 2 years after surgery (80% and 75% for the total group). Randomized clinical trials comparing surgery and medical therapies for type 2 diabetes are urgently needed. Considering the potential benefits for millions of people, such trials should assess the risk/benefit ratio of surgery in less obese (BMI 30-35 kg/m2) populations, as well as in the morbidly obese (BMI>35 kg/m2) population."


Journal reference:

  1. Henry Buchwald et al. Weight and Type 2 Diabetes after Bariatric Surgery: Systematic Review and Meta-analysis. The American Journal of Medicine, Volume 122, Issue 3 (March 2009)




From the article referenced above, here is some longer-term data clearly organized:
  Initial Type 2 Resolution Rates Resolution Rate at 2+ Years
Post-op
Banding 56.70% 58.30%
Gastroplasty 79.70% 77.50%
RNY 80.30% 70.90%
DS 95.10% 95.90%




Also, this one:


http://www.soard.org/article/S1550-7289(09)00733-3/abstract

Analysis of factors associated with durable remission of diabetes after Roux-en-Y gastric bypass

 

Silas M. Chikunguwo, M.D., Ph.D., Luke G. Wolfe, B.S., M.S., Patricia Dodson, M.S., Jill G. Meador, B.S.N., Nancy Baugh, B.S.N., John N. Clore, M.D., John M. Kellum, M.D., James W. Maher, M.D.

 

Received 27 May 2009; received in revised form 31 October 2009; accepted 3 November 2009. published online 12 November 2009.

Abstract 

Background

Data on the durability of remission of type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) after gastric bypass are limited. Our purpose was to identify the rate of long-term remission of T2DM and the factors associated with durable remission.

Methods

A total of 177 patients with T2DM who had undergone Roux-en-Y gastric bypass from 1993 to 2003 had 5-year follow-up data available. T2DM status was determined by interview and evaluation of the diabetic medications. Patients with complete remission or recurrence of T2DM were identified.

Results

Follow-up ranged from 5 to 16 years. Of the 177 patients, 157 (89%) had complete remission of T2DM with a decrease in their mean body mass index from baseline (50.2 ± 8.2 kg/m2) to 31.3 ± 7.2 kg/m2 postoperatively (mean percentage of excess weight loss 70.0% ± 18.6%). However, 20 patients (11.3%) did not have T2DM remission despite a mean percentage of excess weight loss of 58.2% ± 12.3% (P <.0009). Of the 157 patients with initial remission of their T2DM, 68 (43%) subsequently developed T2DM recurrence. Remission of T2DM was durable in 56.9%. Durable (>5-year) resolution of T2DM was greatest in the patients who originally had either controlled their T2DM with diet (76%) or oral hypoglycemic agents (66%). The rate of T2DM remission was more likely to be durable in men (P = .00381). Weight regain was a statistically significant, but weak predictor, of T2DM recurrence.

Conclusion
Early remission of T2DM occurred in 89% of patients after Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. T2DM recurred in 43.1%. Durable remission correlated most closely with an early disease stage at gastric bypass.







And another study with similar findings, though a smaller group of subjects...  

Re-emergence of diabetes after gastric bypass in patients with mid- to long-term follow-up

Mary DiGiorgi, M.S., M.P.H., Daniel J. Rosen, M.D., Jenny J. Choi, M.D., Luca Milone, M.D., Beth Schrope, M.D., Ph.D., Lorraine Olivero-Rivera, D.N.P., F.N.P.-B.C., Nancy Restuccia, M.S., R.D., Sara Yuen, M.S., McKenzie Fisk, M.S., William B. Inabnet, M.D., Marc Bessler, M.D.

Received 27 May 2009; received in revised form 22 September 2009; accepted 23 September 2009. published online 02 November 2009.

Abstract 

Background

Studies have shown that type 2 diabetes (T2DM) improves or resolves shortly after Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGB). Few data are available on T2DM recurrence or the effect of weight regain on T2DM status.

Methods

A review of 42 RYGB patients with T2DM and ≥3 years of follow-up and laboratory data was performed. Postoperative weight loss and T2DM status was assessed. Recurrence or worsening was defined as hemoglobin A1c >6.0% and fasting glucose >124 mg/dL and/or medication required after remission or improvement. Patients whose T2DM recurred or worsened were compared with those whose did not, and patients whose T2DM improved were compared with those whose T2DM resolved.

Results

T2DM had either resolved or improved in all patients (64% and 36%, respectively); 24% (10) recurred or worsened. The patients with recurrence or worsening had had a lower preoperative body mass index than those without recurrence or worsening (47.9 versus 52.9 kg/m2; P = .05), regained a greater percentage of their lost weight (37.7% versus 15.4%; P = .002), had a greater weight loss failure rate (63% versus 14%; P = .03), and had greater postoperative glucose levels (138 versus 102 mg/dL; P = .0002). Patients *****quired insulin or oral medication before RYGB were more likely to experience improvement rather than resolution (92% versus 8%, P ≤.0001; and 85% versus 15%; P = .0006, respectively).

Conclusion

Our results have shown that beyond 3 years after RYGB, the incidence of T2DM recurrence or worsening in patients with initial resolution or improvement was significant. In our patients, a greater likelihood of recurrence or worsening of T2DM was associated with a lower preoperative body mass index. Before widespread acceptance of bariatric surgery as a definitive treatment for those with T2DM can be achieved, additional study of this recurrence phenomenon is indicated.


Lucycat
on 11/5/10 1:41 am - Lewiston, ID
Topic: RE: I had bypass 5 yrs ago and diabetis INSTANTLY went away.

I've gotten rid of 3 of my 4 meds on my 2 week preop diet.  As my NUT said, diabetes doesn't go away, your blood sugars just become stabilized, thus putting diabetes in remission.  If I were you I would take a hard look at the amount of carbs and what kind you are eating each day.  Could be a fluke or not.  Also, any stress you're under etc.  Don't let it go too long. 

            
mary S.
on 11/4/10 7:54 am - WALLED LAKE, MI
Topic: I had bypass 5 yrs ago and diabetis INSTANTLY went away.
I was off all meds as soon as surgery was complete.  for the 1st year i did great losing weight and sticking to the plan.  each yr after that i have eaten more and more sugar and now my body doesn't get upset at all by it.  i've only gained back 10 pounds and my A1c has always been bel;ow 6 so I thought i was getting away with it.  I tested my sugar this a.m and twice more during the day and it is over 300.  I'm panicked that I blew it all.  Anyone out there familiar with this type of situation?  I thought that once the diebetes went away with surgery that it should never come back.
moving-on
on 11/3/10 1:56 pm - Rimrock, AZ
Topic: RE: Hospital Stay
I had a similar experience. When they were checking me in I told them that I was Type 1 and needed insulin regularly. When they checked my records everthing said I was Type 2, I just about flipped. Everyone was very good to me, but like yourself they didnt use the proper sliding scale to bring me down and I also had to keep telling them I needed Lantus. I had mine in my purse as well and almost took some. Eventually it worked out and they gave me some Lantus. I am so glad at a week post op that I have not had to put my pump back on and just started since leaving hosptial using Lantus morn and night.
I was just talking to my co-worker and with her Cancer she also has to remind everyone. We do so need to take care of ourselves as noone else is.
Wish you the best.
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moving-on
on 11/3/10 1:45 pm - Rimrock, AZ
Topic: RE: New to Forum and have questions!!
I myself have Type 1 for over 30 yrs and just had the RNY. I have so far not put my pump back on. I am taking Lantus in the Morn and Eve so far. With my research it seemed the RNY was most recommended. I found an article if you would like it. I started out thinking I wanted the band but several things led me to RNY. I will tell you that when I was on the liquid diet for two weeks, I was not bolusing for the drinks and even had to lower my basal rates to keep me from dropping. I would correct with milk or the glucose tablets. My sugar dropped this Morn and tried the glucose tablets with no problems. Yeah.
I wish you the best and if you have any questions please feel free to ask. I dont know everything but would love to help.
Debbie
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