Avg time for Diabetes to go away
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on 3/20/09 11:51 am - Woodbridge, VA
on 3/20/09 11:51 am - Woodbridge, VA
I'm sorry, but it is a FACT, not an opinion, that the DS has a better chance than the RNY of resolving type 2 diabetes. Did you happen to read of the CLINICAL STUDIES linked to in the websites in my signature? Did you read any of the medical journal articles and studies included in my profile?
Again, the RNY has about an 80-84% chance of resolving type 2 diabetes. That's absolutely nothing to sneeze at. But still, the FACT remains that the DS has up to a 98.9% chance of diabetes resolution, and the DS also offers a lower chance of the diabetes returning in the years following the surgery. These are not advertisements, nor are they opinions - they are facts supported by scientific/medical documentation. You can find these articles on PubMed and the abstracts on other medical journal websites.
I never told anyone they made the wrong decision on surgery type. If the RNY works for you, that is fabulous! And I never said anyone's diabetes will 100% return after RNY - STUDIES (not opinions) show this happens about 12% of the time, not 100% of the time.
I'm not sure why you think I'm dissing the RNY. I'm not. I'm just stating statistical, proven facts. I'm sorry if those facts somehow offend you.
Again, the RNY has about an 80-84% chance of resolving type 2 diabetes. That's absolutely nothing to sneeze at. But still, the FACT remains that the DS has up to a 98.9% chance of diabetes resolution, and the DS also offers a lower chance of the diabetes returning in the years following the surgery. These are not advertisements, nor are they opinions - they are facts supported by scientific/medical documentation. You can find these articles on PubMed and the abstracts on other medical journal websites.
I never told anyone they made the wrong decision on surgery type. If the RNY works for you, that is fabulous! And I never said anyone's diabetes will 100% return after RNY - STUDIES (not opinions) show this happens about 12% of the time, not 100% of the time.
I'm not sure why you think I'm dissing the RNY. I'm not. I'm just stating statistical, proven facts. I'm sorry if those facts somehow offend you.
Jill,
It is not your "facts" that offend me, it's your righteous attitude. You say you are not "dissing the RNY", yet you refuse to consider the possibility that RNY could be as equally effective as DS. Diabetes is a highly personalized disease, as I previously posted. If you've had it since you were 25, you should know that. There is no single right way to fix it. If there were, then everyone would do it, wouldn't they?
And, I did peruse your profile. It reads like someone who did research on DS only. How diverse is that? You can quote your "statistical facts" all you want. I'm willing to bet you don't understand 1/10th of what you've posted.
The original poster of this thread asked for opinions and personal experience, that is what I gave. What personal experience did you provide? The bloggers on OH all give their opinions and occasionally post website information where folks can go to look up info for themselves. I would never take what someone posted on their profile as fact. And, I give credit to all *****ad and post on OH that they wouldn't either.
Don't respond to this. I hope your surgery lives up to all of your statistics and expectations. Notice I said "your surgery" not DS. I have no opinion on DS one way or the other. The variable in any surgery is YOU!
It is not your "facts" that offend me, it's your righteous attitude. You say you are not "dissing the RNY", yet you refuse to consider the possibility that RNY could be as equally effective as DS. Diabetes is a highly personalized disease, as I previously posted. If you've had it since you were 25, you should know that. There is no single right way to fix it. If there were, then everyone would do it, wouldn't they?
And, I did peruse your profile. It reads like someone who did research on DS only. How diverse is that? You can quote your "statistical facts" all you want. I'm willing to bet you don't understand 1/10th of what you've posted.
The original poster of this thread asked for opinions and personal experience, that is what I gave. What personal experience did you provide? The bloggers on OH all give their opinions and occasionally post website information where folks can go to look up info for themselves. I would never take what someone posted on their profile as fact. And, I give credit to all *****ad and post on OH that they wouldn't either.
Don't respond to this. I hope your surgery lives up to all of your statistics and expectations. Notice I said "your surgery" not DS. I have no opinion on DS one way or the other. The variable in any surgery is YOU!
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on 3/22/09 1:28 am - Woodbridge, VA
on 3/22/09 1:28 am - Woodbridge, VA
Please don't try to tell me what to or not to respond to.
My profile includes resources showing the effectiveness of the DS in comparison to the RNY for type 2 diabetes. If you can find a single peer-reviewed clinical study or medical journal article that states that the RNY has a higher chance of resolving type 2 diabetes than the DS, then I will actually understand any of your ramblings here.
I have said MULTIPE times that the RNy CAN send diabetes into remission. How is that me refusing "to consider the possibility that RNY could be as equally effective as DS" when I have stated as much multiple times? It CAN be as effective, it just isn't as effective as often.
AGAIN, the RNY DOES work for some people for remission of type 2. If it worked for you, then that's wonderful! Diabetes is a monster, and anything that fights it is a step in the right direction.
My information is geared toward PRE-ops who are still researching their WLS options. Many people end up with an RNY without even knowing the DS exists, or decide against the DS because they are fed misinformation about it by surgeons who don't even do it. Based on the statistics for diabetes resolution, I think it is especially important for type 2 diabetics to be well-informed about the DS. It is up to pre-ops to then research both procedures to find which one best fits them, their eating habits, their lifestyle, their other health issues, etc.
Go back and re-read my posts. I have ALWAYS said the RNY CAN lead to resolution of type 2 diabetes. I have never said anything BAD about the RNY. I'm just pointing out that the DS has an even higher rate of success at resolving type 2 diabetes, and for a longer period of time. These are facts, and if you don't want to hear them, feel free to block me.
My profile includes resources showing the effectiveness of the DS in comparison to the RNY for type 2 diabetes. If you can find a single peer-reviewed clinical study or medical journal article that states that the RNY has a higher chance of resolving type 2 diabetes than the DS, then I will actually understand any of your ramblings here.
I have said MULTIPE times that the RNy CAN send diabetes into remission. How is that me refusing "to consider the possibility that RNY could be as equally effective as DS" when I have stated as much multiple times? It CAN be as effective, it just isn't as effective as often.
AGAIN, the RNY DOES work for some people for remission of type 2. If it worked for you, then that's wonderful! Diabetes is a monster, and anything that fights it is a step in the right direction.
My information is geared toward PRE-ops who are still researching their WLS options. Many people end up with an RNY without even knowing the DS exists, or decide against the DS because they are fed misinformation about it by surgeons who don't even do it. Based on the statistics for diabetes resolution, I think it is especially important for type 2 diabetics to be well-informed about the DS. It is up to pre-ops to then research both procedures to find which one best fits them, their eating habits, their lifestyle, their other health issues, etc.
Go back and re-read my posts. I have ALWAYS said the RNY CAN lead to resolution of type 2 diabetes. I have never said anything BAD about the RNY. I'm just pointing out that the DS has an even higher rate of success at resolving type 2 diabetes, and for a longer period of time. These are facts, and if you don't want to hear them, feel free to block me.
I had my surgery on 1/21 an my sugars are about the same range. Had an A1C drawn at about 3 weeks and it was 6.6 which my PCP thought was high but OK. She said she was not ready to put be me back on meds until I have lost a significant amount of weight.... (only down 18 then) so she said she would check again in 4 months and go from there. I stopped testing so often because it was driving me crazy as well!
My doctor has told me that I'm a Type 2 diabetic since October, 2005. I didn't know to ask her what my A1C showed, but when I take my glucose level, I've never gone higher than 129 (except when I had a cortisone shot in my foot it went to 225). Normally, when I take it, I'm usually between 83-100. My biggest problem is with hypoglycemia---low blood sugar. I have a difficult time keeping my blood sugar over 100. When I went for my gastric sleeve, the hospital didn't feel I needed medication (based on levels taken three times a day) and didn't give it to me, so I haven't taken it since hospitalization and my blood sugar remains between 83-100.
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Hiya!
First, I think your sugars are not as bad as you think they are, so don't feel so bad. =) Yes, they are a bit high, but things will get better, as long as you are following your guidelines properly and checking your sugars--I hate doing it, but since we are changing everyday now, we need to check diligently. =)
So, I had my RNY on Dec 1st, 2008, so April 1st will be 4 months for me. Before surgery, my sugars were terrible, despite being on Metformin, Amaryl and 200 units of Lantus! My sugars were in the 200's and 300's all the time, even first thing in the am. Like yourself, I hoped the diabetes would resolve itself in the hospital or right after I got home from surgery. The sugars were better and I was able to begin lowering my meds. Then, a few weeks out, the sugars started creeping back up and I was devastated! But, now...I am down 77 lbs since surgery and 92 all together and my sugars are finally getting much better. I have even been able to decrease my insulin amounts--quickly this week. My endo gave me a scale to follow in decreasing the amounts on my own. This week, I decreased in total 30 units--which thrilled me! Sometimes my sugars are up to about 150 at night, so the endo added metformin with dinner--but it seems to help at nighttime.
Anyway...to answer your question...
It took my diabetes a little bit to get with the program--but it seems to be doing just that! I didn't want to be patient--especially when some people leave the hospital with it all resolved already, but now...it just feels great to be getting healthier!
So, stick with it--make sure you see an endocrinologist--one you trust--and TRY to be patient--it will happen for you! Oh, and make sure you test--I know its frustrating--but it really pays to be able to see trends...and those trends change as you lose..
Keep up the great work!
Best of luck to you!
Hugs, Heather =)
First, I think your sugars are not as bad as you think they are, so don't feel so bad. =) Yes, they are a bit high, but things will get better, as long as you are following your guidelines properly and checking your sugars--I hate doing it, but since we are changing everyday now, we need to check diligently. =)
So, I had my RNY on Dec 1st, 2008, so April 1st will be 4 months for me. Before surgery, my sugars were terrible, despite being on Metformin, Amaryl and 200 units of Lantus! My sugars were in the 200's and 300's all the time, even first thing in the am. Like yourself, I hoped the diabetes would resolve itself in the hospital or right after I got home from surgery. The sugars were better and I was able to begin lowering my meds. Then, a few weeks out, the sugars started creeping back up and I was devastated! But, now...I am down 77 lbs since surgery and 92 all together and my sugars are finally getting much better. I have even been able to decrease my insulin amounts--quickly this week. My endo gave me a scale to follow in decreasing the amounts on my own. This week, I decreased in total 30 units--which thrilled me! Sometimes my sugars are up to about 150 at night, so the endo added metformin with dinner--but it seems to help at nighttime.
Anyway...to answer your question...
It took my diabetes a little bit to get with the program--but it seems to be doing just that! I didn't want to be patient--especially when some people leave the hospital with it all resolved already, but now...it just feels great to be getting healthier!
So, stick with it--make sure you see an endocrinologist--one you trust--and TRY to be patient--it will happen for you! Oh, and make sure you test--I know its frustrating--but it really pays to be able to see trends...and those trends change as you lose..
Keep up the great work!
Best of luck to you!
Hugs, Heather =)
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I know exactly how you feel. In the hospital my sugars were running in like the low 200's. I was not a happy camper. I just assumed it would magically disappear! At my 3 week check up, my sugars were still running in the 160 range. I was worried. Weight loss docs were not. So I went to PCP. She did A1C and it was like 7.8.... too high for my likes, however, she said that she wants to wait another 3 months before making any decisions on whether I need to go back on meds. Just this week (I am 9 weeks out) my resting sugars were 125 - which I still think is high, but happier than before. My point... its getting better. Can't wait to wake up with it below 100 all by itself!
I am more of a newbie than you however I still have high sugars. My blood test was 8.5 A1c (post op). My stay in the hospital I was given insulin cause my sugar was running high. I am hoping for full remission so I will continue to do the right thing and continue to take care of myself. In time sunshine, we did not create this over night.
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on 5/20/09 10:42 am - NY
on 5/20/09 10:42 am - NY
I Gotten my surgery 11- 04- 2008, my sugar is back to normal, I GUESS DEPENDS ON PERSON HUH?
Mary Catherine
on 6/5/09 2:02 pm
on 6/5/09 2:02 pm
It depends on the person, how long they have been diabetic, their family history, their eating after surgery, their exercise, their stress level and probably just the diabetes fairy deciding whether or not to go away.
I had RNY, but if I knew what I do now, I would have had the switch. I wanted the best shot at getting rid of diabetes and the statistics are better for the switch.
I had RNY, but if I knew what I do now, I would have had the switch. I wanted the best shot at getting rid of diabetes and the statistics are better for the switch.