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(deactivated member)
on 7/12/11 7:00 am - London, United Kingdom
on 7/12/11 7:00 am - London, United Kingdom
Topic: RE: Can Vitamin Deficiencies Affect Weight Loss after WLS?
BTW I just saw in Vitalady's signature she had RNY distal, but I think that's the same thing, as I said you'd have to look into that more if you were interested as I don't know too much about that (not ever planning on getting RNY, so not fully up to speed on the details of RNY revision).
(deactivated member)
on 7/12/11 6:57 am - London, United Kingdom
on 7/12/11 6:57 am - London, United Kingdom
Topic: RE: Can Vitamin Deficiencies Affect Weight Loss after WLS?
You have to take vitamins when you've had your intestines re-routed... it's VERY important!!! You don't want to get a deficiency as that can kill you more quickly than excess weight.
You do malabsorb calories initially with RNY as just making you malabsorb nutrients would be pointless!
Don't feel bad, your surgery failed you not the other way around. WRT it being our fault for being overweight in the first place I say yes and no. Many DSers joke that they got WLS coz they couldn't get brain surgery, but in all honesty who knows what hunger each person is really feeling. Plus food is better than many other coping mechanisms like drugs or alcohol (the lesser of several evils IMHO).
You're not alone, there are plenty of RNYers seeking revisions, checkout the board here http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/revision
Vitalady *****plied to your email herself got ERNY (more intestine bypassed, whilst it's simpler revision and it increases the amount of calories not absorbed it comes with its own complications, so you'd have to really look into it if you went that route). With ERNY you keep the same pouch and if you dump that'll continue.
With DS/ERNY vitamins are even more critical than just RNY (that's no excuse for you not taking them now though - they're still extremely important), so unless you are prepared to be diligent with them I wouldn't recommend DS (or ERNY).
I hope you find something that works for you and please stop beating yourself up, you're not alone by any stretch.
((Hugs))
TJP
You do malabsorb calories initially with RNY as just making you malabsorb nutrients would be pointless!
Don't feel bad, your surgery failed you not the other way around. WRT it being our fault for being overweight in the first place I say yes and no. Many DSers joke that they got WLS coz they couldn't get brain surgery, but in all honesty who knows what hunger each person is really feeling. Plus food is better than many other coping mechanisms like drugs or alcohol (the lesser of several evils IMHO).
You're not alone, there are plenty of RNYers seeking revisions, checkout the board here http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/revision
Vitalady *****plied to your email herself got ERNY (more intestine bypassed, whilst it's simpler revision and it increases the amount of calories not absorbed it comes with its own complications, so you'd have to really look into it if you went that route). With ERNY you keep the same pouch and if you dump that'll continue.
With DS/ERNY vitamins are even more critical than just RNY (that's no excuse for you not taking them now though - they're still extremely important), so unless you are prepared to be diligent with them I wouldn't recommend DS (or ERNY).
I hope you find something that works for you and please stop beating yourself up, you're not alone by any stretch.
((Hugs))
TJP
Topic: RE: Can Vitamin Deficiencies Affect Weight Loss after WLS?
Thanks so much for your reply! I've looked into the DS, but honestly . . . I don't even know that I have the energy to go through the red tape to get my insurance company to cover it. I mean, what do I tell them? "I had the RNY and I can't lose weight"? I've already had more than one doctor stare at me with jaw open in incredulousness when I said that.
Perhaps if I'd given myself a break and realized two years ago that the issue wasn't with ME but with the surgery, I might have been in the frame of mind and had the energy to push in that direction. But when everyone's telling you the problem is with you, you start believing it. After all . . . it's my fault that I'm obese in the first place, right? It's been all my fault up until now, so why wouldn't everything else associated with it just continue to be my fault?
So, I kept pushing ahead on my own, alone, and without support, and tried to beat myself into changing a million different things to get results. So, now? I am weary. I almost feel sick to my stomach to think about trying to go through the red tape of all that, after all the hoops I had to jump through for my first one. . . . And then, there's the imminent fear--even if I DID have the energy to fight, who's going to believe me, anyway? It's not just a matter of stating the truth and having someone believe me.
At this point, I feel like I'd be fighting a losing battle. After all, when all the doctors told me it was my fault that I wasn't losing, I wasn't campaigning for a new surgery - I was asking for HELP for why my CURRENT surgery didn't work and what I needed to do to GET it to work. The word "revision" never escaped my lips during that time. So, if they reacted like that when all I wanted was answers and help with my RNY, Lord knows what they're going to do if I mention a revision!
As for the malabsorption, I was taught by my surgeon and by the nurses who oversaw my six month health class prior to surgery that with the RNY, we have always absorbed 100 percent of our calories--it's just the vitamins we didn't absorb, thus the need for the vitamins. I hear differing opinions on this . . . and I think, actually, it depends upon how much intestine they bypass. But, this is what my surgeon told me.
I have a boatload of vitamins right now, and I look at that stack of stuff every day and get weary of taking them, often feeling like since I didn't lose, I'm not worth the effort. I didn't lose the weight, so why am I taking vitamins, anyhow? To take care of an obese body?! Maybe my mind is warped, but I guess along the way I have felt that it was only worth it to take the vitamins if or while I lost the weight. THEN I'd be worth taking care of. But, now that I can't? I often look at those labels and think, "Why bother?"
Perhaps if I'd given myself a break and realized two years ago that the issue wasn't with ME but with the surgery, I might have been in the frame of mind and had the energy to push in that direction. But when everyone's telling you the problem is with you, you start believing it. After all . . . it's my fault that I'm obese in the first place, right? It's been all my fault up until now, so why wouldn't everything else associated with it just continue to be my fault?
So, I kept pushing ahead on my own, alone, and without support, and tried to beat myself into changing a million different things to get results. So, now? I am weary. I almost feel sick to my stomach to think about trying to go through the red tape of all that, after all the hoops I had to jump through for my first one. . . . And then, there's the imminent fear--even if I DID have the energy to fight, who's going to believe me, anyway? It's not just a matter of stating the truth and having someone believe me.
At this point, I feel like I'd be fighting a losing battle. After all, when all the doctors told me it was my fault that I wasn't losing, I wasn't campaigning for a new surgery - I was asking for HELP for why my CURRENT surgery didn't work and what I needed to do to GET it to work. The word "revision" never escaped my lips during that time. So, if they reacted like that when all I wanted was answers and help with my RNY, Lord knows what they're going to do if I mention a revision!
As for the malabsorption, I was taught by my surgeon and by the nurses who oversaw my six month health class prior to surgery that with the RNY, we have always absorbed 100 percent of our calories--it's just the vitamins we didn't absorb, thus the need for the vitamins. I hear differing opinions on this . . . and I think, actually, it depends upon how much intestine they bypass. But, this is what my surgeon told me.
I have a boatload of vitamins right now, and I look at that stack of stuff every day and get weary of taking them, often feeling like since I didn't lose, I'm not worth the effort. I didn't lose the weight, so why am I taking vitamins, anyhow? To take care of an obese body?! Maybe my mind is warped, but I guess along the way I have felt that it was only worth it to take the vitamins if or while I lost the weight. THEN I'd be worth taking care of. But, now that I can't? I often look at those labels and think, "Why bother?"
(deactivated member)
on 7/12/11 4:19 am - London, United Kingdom
on 7/12/11 4:19 am - London, United Kingdom
Topic: RE: Can Vitamin Deficiencies Affect Weight Loss after WLS?
Please see beemerbeeper's link here for further details http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/failed_wls_second_time_aro und/4389195/Please-dont-blame-yourself-if-your-RnY-failed-yo u/
Topic: How many of us have had to/need to be revised from the "Band"?
Please, put your hand up!!! Let those who are considering having their first WLS know that we believed in this procedure wholeheartedly. We did not have the advantage of seeing all the failure that is put before their very eyes today.
Let the pre-ops considering the Band know that we tried the Band with every fiber of our being and it DISAPPOINTED. Even while we embraced the band and denied ourselves the right of the device having failed us. We blamed us for having failed once again. What a horrific burden to carry.
My surgeon says the thing about the band is "it's easy to sell". That makes me weep inside because everything I had in me believed the band would change my life. It did, then just like a rug pulled from underneath with no warning, you go crashing losing everything you thought you gained - landing on ground so broken and shattered that you may feel reluctant to trust that solidity exist again.
My surgeon also said now your quality of life will be so much better with the sleeve - the Band is a hard life. Every single day as I heal and get stronger, I know this is true. There is hope for us that go crashing and feel as if we lost it all. My hope for you is that you avoid the crashing by not being lured into what is easy to sell.
3/30/05 Banded
8/10/05 New port, the first one never worked
12/20/10 Band removed - Esophageal Dilation with no resolve - NO, I didn't stuff my pouch, my esophagus stopped working effectively due to the high pressure the band creates.
6/6/11 Sleeved!
With love,
Laylah
Reply here: http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/amos/4424289/How-many-of-u s-have-had-to-need-to-be-revised-from-the/
Let the pre-ops considering the Band know that we tried the Band with every fiber of our being and it DISAPPOINTED. Even while we embraced the band and denied ourselves the right of the device having failed us. We blamed us for having failed once again. What a horrific burden to carry.
My surgeon says the thing about the band is "it's easy to sell". That makes me weep inside because everything I had in me believed the band would change my life. It did, then just like a rug pulled from underneath with no warning, you go crashing losing everything you thought you gained - landing on ground so broken and shattered that you may feel reluctant to trust that solidity exist again.
My surgeon also said now your quality of life will be so much better with the sleeve - the Band is a hard life. Every single day as I heal and get stronger, I know this is true. There is hope for us that go crashing and feel as if we lost it all. My hope for you is that you avoid the crashing by not being lured into what is easy to sell.
3/30/05 Banded
8/10/05 New port, the first one never worked
12/20/10 Band removed - Esophageal Dilation with no resolve - NO, I didn't stuff my pouch, my esophagus stopped working effectively due to the high pressure the band creates.
6/6/11 Sleeved!
With love,
Laylah
Reply here: http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/amos/4424289/How-many-of-u s-have-had-to-need-to-be-revised-from-the/
(deactivated member)
on 7/12/11 3:14 am - London, United Kingdom
on 7/12/11 3:14 am - London, United Kingdom
Topic: RE: Can Vitamin Deficiencies Affect Weight Loss after WLS?
You're outside the 2 year calorie malabsorption RNY window. With RNY the intestinal villi adapt after 2 years and you absorb 100% of your calories, so you've done pretty well considering you're nearly 3.5 years out.
This is a reason why some RNYers revise to the DS.
This is a reason why some RNYers revise to the DS.
Topic: RE: Can Vitamin Deficiencies Affect Weight Loss after WLS?
Vitamins. That'd be me.
Did you want to fix that pesky D? Anyone working on your iron?
Yes, if you remain deficient, it can damage your ability to lose. You may have cravings for the oddest things, like cough drops!
Can you email me privately? I'm kinda behind, but I'm more behind with PM's. My email is [email protected]
Did you want to fix that pesky D? Anyone working on your iron?
Yes, if you remain deficient, it can damage your ability to lose. You may have cravings for the oddest things, like cough drops!
Can you email me privately? I'm kinda behind, but I'm more behind with PM's. My email is [email protected]
Michelle
RNY, distal, 10/5/94
P.S. My year + long absence has NOTHING to do with my WLS, or my type of WLS. See my profile.
Topic: anyone with severe abdominal pain
hi,
reading several posts mentioning severe abdominal pain after RGB that seems to be unexplainable I was pretty shocked. Not that much because several people do have these issues but the docs dont know what do or at least what the problem is and simply denie it.
I have been going through this ordeal for a long time, thought with a totally different issue. (have no overweight and consider DS or GB as treatment of reflux).
But the culprit in my story was that I have a very rare intestinal diesease only very few docs are aware of.
So I am shocked that an actually pretty known problem after roux gastrojejunostomy which is a major component of the RGB weight loss surgery is obciously not recognized.
Abominal pain, nausea, vomiting, distension can be all part of the roux syndrome. just gogle it and you wil find numerous articles.
In this syndrome, gastric emptying and/or roux limb transit is disturbed/slowed.
hope ithis help someone.
reading several posts mentioning severe abdominal pain after RGB that seems to be unexplainable I was pretty shocked. Not that much because several people do have these issues but the docs dont know what do or at least what the problem is and simply denie it.
I have been going through this ordeal for a long time, thought with a totally different issue. (have no overweight and consider DS or GB as treatment of reflux).
But the culprit in my story was that I have a very rare intestinal diesease only very few docs are aware of.
So I am shocked that an actually pretty known problem after roux gastrojejunostomy which is a major component of the RGB weight loss surgery is obciously not recognized.
Abominal pain, nausea, vomiting, distension can be all part of the roux syndrome. just gogle it and you wil find numerous articles.
In this syndrome, gastric emptying and/or roux limb transit is disturbed/slowed.
hope ithis help someone.
Topic: motility issues/severe constipation after RGB
Hi all,
I am going to have the Roux GB for duodenal reflux done, without the malabsorbtive and gastric restrictive component.
So my biliopancreatic limb will be 30-40cm and my roux limb 40-50cm, attached to the intact stoma in continuity with a very short duondenal stump (2cm)
I have a severe underlying motility diease of the entire digestive tract, also meaning gastroparesis and small bowel dysmotility (have no colon any more and have to wear a permanent bladder catheter).
I read that some people do get motility issues/gastroparesis and or severe constipation afterwards. can anyone tell me the incidence of these issues after GB cause in the literature you dont find this complication mentioned very often?
Also, I would like to hear the experience of someone who noticed worsening or got motility issues following GB
Thanks
I am going to have the Roux GB for duodenal reflux done, without the malabsorbtive and gastric restrictive component.
So my biliopancreatic limb will be 30-40cm and my roux limb 40-50cm, attached to the intact stoma in continuity with a very short duondenal stump (2cm)
I have a severe underlying motility diease of the entire digestive tract, also meaning gastroparesis and small bowel dysmotility (have no colon any more and have to wear a permanent bladder catheter).
I read that some people do get motility issues/gastroparesis and or severe constipation afterwards. can anyone tell me the incidence of these issues after GB cause in the literature you dont find this complication mentioned very often?
Also, I would like to hear the experience of someone who noticed worsening or got motility issues following GB
Thanks
Topic: RE: 2.5 years since I had my RNY REVERSED
What I'm worried about is how long my surgeon will wait until he makes his decision...my appt is July 25th and I just want to say, "I want a reversal!" end of story. At my weight 108 lbs and the thyroid problem as of now, I am not in the mood for wasted talk about my condition....he needs to understand how this is effecting my life and my families. I went out with my hubby and friends and overhreard others remarking how "boney & unhealthy" I looked. I wasn't embarrassed, but felt like the eyes of judgment were upon me. I went into the bathroom that had a full length MIRROR and almost didn't recognize the reflection...I thought to myself how unhealthy and boney I did look.
So I wrote a list to read to my surgeon on the issues I deal with daily:
_VOMITING
-GAGGING
-NAUSEA
-HEADACHES
---FATIGUE
--CONFUSION
---DIZZINESS
---NO HUNGER
---INSOMINA
----ANXIETY
----DEPRESSION
----DEPLETION
---WEIGHT LOSS
Thanks for replying and helping me throught this difficult time, hopefully I will experience better days ahead too.
So I wrote a list to read to my surgeon on the issues I deal with daily:
_VOMITING
-GAGGING
-NAUSEA
-HEADACHES
---FATIGUE
--CONFUSION
---DIZZINESS
---NO HUNGER
---INSOMINA
----ANXIETY
----DEPRESSION
----DEPLETION
---WEIGHT LOSS
Thanks for replying and helping me throught this difficult time, hopefully I will experience better days ahead too.