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mother1991
on 8/15/10 10:33 pm - Atascadero, CA
Topic: RE: mausea final answer
GL hope things improve for you.  I understand complications been there many times but mine still unlnown itiology and have had nuclear tests before and seems to act like pseudo blockage,  I am that less than 1 percent.  Yes gastrparesis can occur with any abdominable surgery, infection, injury, underlying illness, comorbid factors and also just plain not knowing,

Other possible is TB of the intestine, LE lymphedema of intestine, protein losing enteropathy, and numerous others not thought of normally and at times may never know cause but treatments can be sone even including a intestinal pacemaker to help food through intestine like a pacemakers for the heart but for stomach.
mother1991
on 8/15/10 10:25 pm - Atascadero, CA
Topic: RE: So many problems advice needed
May need to see a motility specialist.  they can gelp figure things out when even bariatric can not or other gastrointerologists.  a motility specialist is a gastrointerologist with specializing in problems with BM both too long and too much.  GL
mother1991
on 8/15/10 10:19 pm - Atascadero, CA
Topic: RE: Severe abdominal pain
I understand the frustration as well but try having it since day 1 and now have other major vitamin deficiencies despite high dose supplementation, pain mostly upper left quadramt have been on zofran for 4 1/2 years along with promethazine.  i am getting work up at ucla right now can see my post that I did today with more info. 

Has any of the doctors suggested a camera endoscopy.  You swallow a small camera capsule that takes pictures from ingestion to excretion.  this way images can be seen that imaging studies may not be able to see?

Be your own advocate and if something does not seem right listen because only you know what is normal and know when something is not right.

Need be get second opinion.
mother1991
on 8/15/10 10:11 pm - Atascadero, CA
Topic: Major Complications Almost 6 years-Chronic Nausea, vomiting, pain, severe deficiencies-less than 1%

I am seeing dr Mehran at UCLA for the first time next week. I had open gastric bypass roux en y 5 1/2 years ago from a different surgeon office that gave up on me 10 months post op. I have had nausea vomiting, abdominable pain mostly upper left quadrant. I have to medication daily for nausea promethazine and zofran. I have developed some severe vitamin deficiencies and that is why i am going to UCLA as nothing has been seen in many tests over years from CT with and without contrast, nuclear studies, endoscopies, colonosopies, to upper GI with small bowel follow through. I did have feed tube placement 11 months post op due to severe malnutrition and losing 60 percent of muscle mass. I have for the last two years have had C deficiency very low classified as scurvy, september last year niacin very low clinically pellegra, may this year has come back none existed, C was 0.0 D finally 33 but that has only gone up less than 10 from sept when i had been Vit D3 of 10,000 IU daily, sept increased to 100,000 IU daily and still not gain, B12 defciency, and K deficiency. Nutrtionist locally thinks may be best to have all supplments intravenous or intramuscular. slightly anemic but not enough yet for iron transfusion.

On ton of supplments all in correct forms and levels still fall or barely rise.

Not many I know that have the deficiencies I have and still gain 150 pounds in 2 years.
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clinical diagnosis of scurvy, pellegra, anemia, b12 deficiency, d deficiency and k deficiency, phosphate deficiecy, lymphedema, lipodema, insomnia with rem disorder, migraine, irisitis, ect.

want to know if others had surgery also have severe deficiencies despite supplmentatio in high doses and not much help?

UPDATES:

I have spoken with Michelle at VitaLady many a time. She is still currently on tour but busy.
She helped late last year on the baseline in supplements to take including some normally not for those after gastric bypass because i even shared the current labs i had at the time. I hvae many deficiencies that are not normally seen after roux en y and especially the amounts i take. Spoken with many experts in different vitamins from D specialist to vitamin k specialist in europe to linus pauding institute at oregon state micro nutrients department ect.

It is just frustrating that having seen different specialists over the 5 1/2 years and them not really finding anything is frustrating. The original surgeon office that did my roux en y gave up on me 9 months post op because I did fit the success they wanted and them saying it had to be reversed was only option I did not feel comfortable with that had second opinion at bariatric department at stanford and after the tests they ran still could not see anything but said reversal would cause more harm ad not reccomended. And the bariatric doctor before stanford who placed the feed tube still could not believe i was still having lots of trouble with feeding and getting sick but the home hospital i had worked with me and still many many hopitalizations for not being able to keep anything down and changing the formula many times finally helped with a small pump i could slowly use to rate the feeding which took 20 hours to complete helped and it was portable. Then standord and then gave up for awhile and then starting getting sick again and gastroenterologist locally last year in sept and he was still perplexed.

So now the appointment at UCLA will hopefully help and the specialist at stanford on yues i saw with his suspicition I think things can move on from here. Stillpossible port placement which is what is looking at until the cause of malabsorbtion found may be helpful so i dont have still lower nutrients and get worse.

The amount I take in supplments is much more than the average gastric bypass patient because of the atypical presentation I have and jut being a complete mystery. And if UCLA is not able to help much there is a good chance I will be sent to the NIH in Maryland to the undiagnosed clinic they which has 30+ specialists that all work together collabertly to try to see what can be going on and they only take about 400 patients a year and sometimes will see others like me.

I am not expecting the aha its this and then this help I know that is not realistic but some answers would be good. Maybe when I know more I then let others know if someone may having difficulties too for the rarer cases that seem to defy logic but a web of symptoms can be looked at in another light with fresh eyes or spoken with thier doctors asking on the sunject to explore in thier quest and mystery.

Sorry for being long winded, just researching trying to understand look outside the box because the obvious had been ruled out.

Want to thanks for words of encouragement and when i know more i can share more o my experience.

I know I am that less than 1% with complications like mine.

Here is current list of meds and supplements:

Ambien CR 12.5 mg QHS
Promethazine 50 mg Q6-8 Nausea med
Zofran ODT 8 mg Q8 Nausea Med
Calcium Citrate 1000 mg QD
Multi-vitamin/Mineral QD
Vitamin D3 50,000 IU TID
Niacin (B3) 500 mg TID (upped amount in May 2010 was on 250 mg BID)
Vitamin B12 1000mcg sublingual BID (B12 just recently switcheed to bimonthly injections)
B Complex BID
Vitamin C 8000mg QD (upped from 5000 mg QD May 2010 this is taken in powder form)
Vitamin A 30,000 IU QD
Vitamin E 400 IU QD
Vitamin K 1000 mg QD
Vitamin B Complex QD
Zinc 50 mg QD
Copper 400 mg QD
Magnesium Citrate 140 mg QD
Tylenol PRN
Oxygen set at 2 Liters at Night (not apnea) but REM disorder from comprehensive sleep study September 2009
Gas X PRN
Midrin PRN

QD= daily
BID= two times daily
TID=three times daily
Q(number)=is amount taken on so many hours inbetween doses
QHS=taken at night
PRN=taken as needed

UPDATE

Post Date: 7/27/10 6:20 pm

Update :
Saw Dr Mehran at UCLA Bariatric Metabolic Department Today. Bit perplexing as I was able to gather digally all image studies done from 08/09. 2001 was 3 years before my gastric bypass surgery thinking maybe a clue to all the malabsorbtive issues couldbe possibly seen by going back that far to the current along the way and had reports for everything as well. Did not even look at digitized images or keep to further evaluate. He also seemed confused and not really sure. Referred me a gastroenterolist at UCLA, Endocrinologist, and Rheumatologist stating that my issues would be best seen by gastroentereologist. Just still scrating my head, not seeing too much logic here. Also had copies of all my labs from Jan 09 to current may 2010. Nope did not really need to see past ones, but felt it may be helpful to really see how deficiencies have continued to drop despite taking the correct supplements especially in high doses even those that have not yet fallen to deficiency stage. He knows nothing of LE which is basically lymphedema of intestine, or follow up on possible clue from Dr Rockson Stanford Medical Center whom specializes in lymphedema suggested possible protein losing enteropathy which is a stool test called an Stool Alpha 1 Antitrypsin esp since bowels not regualr anyways.

But did second confirmation thatr reversal would make things worse, other time told me was in 2005.

It is just frustrating that I severe deficiencies despite by albumin levels normal. Feeling sick all the time, tired, frustrated from the date my surgery to current that has been found as of yet with many imaging studies, high dose supplements, vitamins crap levels, endoscopies done but unremarkable but not low enough in small intestine to really see what is going on, suggested many a time to try camera endoscopy but told no may not work since not all stomach seen, no do not think will help ect.

I am also tired but will go see the other specialist see what other tests need to be done and go forth from there. Baby steps one a time, never any absolutes, and realize may never know what is going on but will continue to exhaust all avenues first.

 

UPDATE

 

appointments in the next 6 weeks with specialists at ucla first one aug 30, sept 28, and oct 4. just had another ct with and without contrast results shoyld have by mid week. still getting sick still tired still trying to trudge on but doing it one day at time.

just to let all know this is not the norm after gastricx bypass and i am that less than 1 percent with complications like this

sorry forgot to uncxlude recently spoke with michessle at vitalady for update talk and even she is stumped out of her scope of knowledge but with lead to try possibly

And yes IV administration of nutrients has been thought of but as a last resort.

Donna W.
on 8/15/10 3:00 pm - Spring, TX
Topic: RE: possible internal hernia?
Tracy,
Yes the one thing I regret was going through it for a year not wanting to have another surgery on the off chance they would find nothing......I had anohter eposode about a week after surgery just when I thought things were great and it was the worst yet.  I was so frustrated.  But surgeon felt it was just a kink in the area that had been trapped so long.  He said it was swollen right there so I gave it more time and now all is well.  I just did not want to go through it all again.    But yes I would say to anyone go to your surgeon whenever possible.  But the one possitive since I was on liquids for so long I got back on track (I had started eating comfort foods due to all the pain issues) so no pain and I am losing weight again  LOL
rbb825
on 8/15/10 11:40 am - Suffern, NY
Topic: RE: So many problems advice needed
My GI doctor isnt' the problem. He wants to treat me but I wont do what he wants to do.  It isn't that I am constipated, I go 4 sometimes 5 times per day - I just can't move the stool myself by pushing. I think it is either the muscles or nerves that aren't working.  I need the stool to be on the hard side so I can get it out easily, if it is soft it is impossible to get out - just a plain ole mushy mess.  The only time it comes out itself is when I get explosive diarhea and then it comes out with out a problem.  It is the pushing that doesn't work.  I eat lots of fruit but I wont drink juice - too many calories.

 

jbird1972
on 8/15/10 1:10 am - Cary, IL
Topic: RE: So many problems advice needed
It can cause the constipation because the whole system is on slow down, food sits around too long.  I have had a gastric bezoar, basically a calcium stone that my body formed in my pouch around some food that had sat so long, my body couldn't get rid of it, so it calcified it.
If your GI can't treat chronic constipation, no offense, but you may want to find another GI, preferrably one who is familiar with bariatric surgery, believe it or not, there are many GI docs who don't know about it.  If I were a GI doc, I would make it my business to know about a surgery that changes the landscape of the digestive system, and the function as well...sorry, it just annoys me when doctors don't continue to educate themselves.
I am glad the Reglan is working for you, it didn't work for me, just be careful because it can have some wicked side effects, on some people.  Right after I started taking it, I was seeing all of these "bad drug" commercials about Reglan.  I did some research, and some of what I was seeing on TV was true, and the doctors agreed that if it wasn't working it wasn't worth the risk of taking it.  If possible, try and find gentle, non-laxative ways to treat the constipation. Laxatives, stimulant ones, make your body dependent on those to work, and then you can't go unless you take those, vicious cycle.  So, if you can get a lot of fiber naturally, fruit juices, etc...it may not help the "crisis" episodes, but it can help keep you more regular once you are over the hump.  I hope this helps!

Jules RNY 10/30/2007

rbb825
on 8/14/10 2:55 pm - Suffern, NY
Topic: RE: So many problems advice needed
Wow, I never realized that delayed gastric emptying or gastroparesis causes problems with the bowels.  I drank an entire bottle of citrate of magnesium for a sigmoidoscopy and nothing happened. I had to go to the store and buy 2 enemas.  Then a year later when I had a colonoscopy, I drank Moviprep and I wasn't nearly cleaned out.  I only take 20mg of Reglan a day = all in 1 dose at bedtime which helps all my symptoms of nausea and heartburn but I wonder if I need to increase my dose back to the 40mg per day that I am supposed to be taking to get my bowels to working better.  I do go often but have trouble getting the stool out. Without being too gross - I have to pull out the stool with my fingers cause it wont come out itself.  It gets only so far and then it stops.  Have you ever heard of anything like that?  I had it preop also, so the surgery didnt' cause it.  But preop my IBS was so bad that I had diarhea so much that this didnt' happen to much.  Now my IBS is almost gone, so no diarhea, so I have this problem almost daily. I am getting really tired of it.  It is gross but my gastro doctor doesnt' know what to do for me.

 

jbird1972
on 8/13/10 9:37 am - Cary, IL
Topic: RE: So many problems advice needed
I wish I knew your first name, because I can't even bear that you have "dyinginside" as your screen name.  I wish I could say I have the answers, still trying to figure them out for myself.  Feel free to read my blog posts, and ask any questions, and sadly there are more on here that have similar issues.  This is probably TMI, but severe constipation, which can go hand in hand with WLS, can be extremely painful and cause a lot of cramping.  The trapped contents can become so dry and compacted that even the most "dynamite" of prescription relief cannot always help.  I cannot tell you how many times, due to my delayed gastric emptying, I have drank bottle after bottle of the pre-op bowel prep, and even the colonoscopy prep, and still didn't go.  I eventually went, but it can take a lot.  The Colace only softens the stool, doesn't make you go. I have found that just going back to basics, like prunes or prune juice are more helpful than the meds, at least for me.  Scar tissue/adhesions can trap anything, and can be known to "stick" everything together.  My liver and spleen have been stuck to my stomach, and intestines, etc...The problem is, the more surgery they do to remove the adhesions, it is almost a gurantee to grow more and worse, so just be careful of that as you move forward.  Gosh, I hope I'm helping and not scaring you more.  Biggest advice: Even if you have to drive or get on a train/plane, before it gets out of hand, get to a teaching/university hospital.  The more bariatric surgeries they have done, the more likely they are to not only recognize your problem, but resolve it before you really become more ill.  Best wishes, listen to your body.  I'll add you as a friend to keep an eye, if that is ok.
Hugs
Jules

Jules RNY 10/30/2007

DyingInside
on 8/13/10 12:45 am, edited 8/13/10 12:56 am - MI
Topic: So many problems advice needed

Okay heres the story I had gastric bypass surgery in December 2008. I have had a lot of complications including two scar tissue removal surgeries.Now I'm having sever abdomenal cramps like I have to go to the bathroom but I cant no matter how hard I push. My nurse told me to take Milk of Magnesia...did that didn't help. So I called my regular doctor and they gave me prescription strength colace. Still not working. Even if I have to urinate I have to push to do so. I'm having trouble passing gas and I falt out feel sick. Last time scar tissue was pulling my liver outta place. Could it be pulling on my bladder or bowels. Whats going on here!? I live in Mount Clemens Mi about 50 miles from Detroit where my surgeon works. And the hospital near me doesnt do baratrics and knows nothing about it.

 

 

 

BTW: How do you change your ticker I now weigh 199lbs. So it's not right

*Melyssa*

    
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