Re-Thinking VSG
I'm new to this forum:
I have been reading all over this website, reading about everything that has to do with wls. Well, my intention was to get the sleeve, but the more I read, the more I am leaning back ntoward my origial choice for the RNY. I have a significant amount of weight to lose (BMI of 70.2). I know I will lose weight initially, but my Dr. also said if I need a revision, that could be done too. Who wants to have two surgeries, if it can be avoided? No offense to anyone that has done it. Any advice is truly appreciated.
Adrienne

If you are not comfortable with the idea of going back for another surgery, then you may want to check out the DS as well. In my opinion, the DS is a better alternative than the RnY for over 50 BMI individuals. Had I not ended up with the VSG, I was going to have the DS. In the end I got what I originally wanted which was the VSG.
Kelly
347/228/200
She has now blocked a number of people from a previous thread who corrected her factually inaccurate information and down right lies. If she wants to live in denial and make her decision based upon her fairy tale world, that is fine, but I hate to see her inaccuracies influencing others.
Missy, you're really full of it. It is NOT safer to do 2 surgeries, unless the surgeon determines that the patient can't withstand a full procedure . It is never 'safe' to go under anesthesia, it is never safe to open someone up, it is never safe to expose raw skin to all the germs flying around hospitals (sepsis, heard of it?).
SOME surgeons performing the DS decide to do so in two stages, as they either don't have the extended lap tools to perform the 'switch' on the intestines via a very large stomach -or- feel being under for an extended period of time is not good for the patient. BUT, stage 2 is scheduled shortly after the sleeve portion.
Where do you come up with this BS? Give me some peer-reviewed studies, please. You continue to spout inaccuracies, and frankly, it is harmful to not only your own health but others who may listen to you.
IF someone goes in for a VSG, instead of a full DS, chances are their sleeve/stomach is going to be made smaller. Going in for part 1 of a DS, the sleeve ends up being the size that is thought to work best with the switch portion that is to be done, providing the individual with the synergistic relationship provided by the sleeve & the switch.
~ I am the proud wife of a Guatemalan, but most people call me Kimberley
Highest Known Weight = 370# / 59.7 bmi @ 5'6"
Current Weight = 168# / 26.4 bmi : fluctuates 5# either way @ 5'7" / more than 90% EWL
Normal BMI (24.9) = 159#: would have to compromise my muscle mass to get here without plastics, so this is not a goal.
I my DS. Don't go into WLS without knowing ALL of your options: DSFacts.com
Post Date: 2/3/09 5:22 pm
I am not blocking people because they disagree with me. I dont think the hostility is good for my health and I wont live a life filled with anger, esp at random people online :)
But if you do your research there are papers that say taht staging is safer for people with BMIs over 55. My husband is a research physician for the biggest cancer center in the world and I am an ex nurse. We know how to read papers and can weigh the pros and cons and have come to this decision, not lightly.
Either way, what you decide is fine for you. Find a doctor you trust and talk to them. I made my choice for myself and I don't think any angry person can change that. Its surprising to me someone wouldn't wish me well and understand that I am going into this well educated. I have always thought people who push their own agenda have some hole or flaw they are trying to disguise.
Here is one paper. I have a couple in prinit my husband got from his medical library. I will look those up when I have time. Also, there is an yahoo sleeve group that has alot of people who are knowledgeable and alot of help.
Laparoscopic Sleeve Gastrectomy. A multi-purpose bariatric operation
Aniceto Baltasar MD 1, Carlos Serra MD 2, Nieves Pérez MD
2, Rafael Bou MD 2, Marcelo Bengochea MD 2, Lirios Ferri 2
Missy (30 years old - Houston Texas - mom to 2 wonderful pre-schoolers)

I had the kick-butt duodenal switch (DS)!
HW: 344 lbs CW: 150 lbs
Type 2 diabetes and sleep apnea GONE!
So, hopefully, any newbies reading here can benefit from this info that clearly refutes the notion that two surgeries are better than one. Please guys, think twice, cut once! That's all we're hoping you do.
Nicolle
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Ann Surg. 2008 Oct;248(4):541-8.

Duodenal switch operative mortality and morbidity are not impacted by body mass index.
Buchwald H, Kellogg TA, Leslie DB, Ikramuddin S.Department of Surgery, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA. [email protected]
OBJECTIVE: This report examines the < or =30-day postoperative mortality and morbidity in our first 190 duodenal switch (DS) patients. BACKGROUND DATA: DS is the most weight loss effective and the most difficult to perform bariatric procedure. Indeed, certain surgeons have advocated a 2-stage approach to minimize complications, especially in the super obese (body mass index [BMI] > or =50 kg/m(2)). METHODS: DS procedures were performed (n = 190) by either open (n = 168) or laparoscopic/robotic surgery in an academic setting: common channel 75 to 125 cm, sleeve gastrectomy (approximately 100 mL gastric pouch), closed duodenal stump, end-to-side duodenoileostomy hand-sewn in 2 layers, with most staple lines oversewn, and all mesentery defects closed. RESULTS: For the 190 patients, 149 were female (78%) and the mean age was 43 years (range, 16-71). Mean preoperative weight 151.4 kg (range, 74.1-332.7); mean preoperative BMI 53.4 kg/m(2) (range, 32-107), with 100 (52.6%) of the patients super obese (BMI > or =50 kg/m(2)). Seventy-four patients had concurrent procedures, eg, cholecystectomy (n = 22), ventral or umbilical hernia repair (n = 19), and hiatus hernia repair (n = 10). Mean operating room time was 337 minutes (range, 127-771); mean hospitalization time was 6 days (range, 2-38). There were no deaths. Serious < or =30-day complications (n = 18 in 14 patients) consisted of 2 leaks (1.0%), which responded to drainage, and intra-abdominal bleeding (n = 3), splenectomy (n = 1), acute pancreatitis (n = 2), gastric outlet obstruction (n = 1), acute renal failure (n = 2), pneumonia (n = 2), respiratory failure (n = 3), acute myocardial infarction (n = 1), and duodenoileostomy stricture requiring endoscopic dilation (n = 1). The serious complication rate in patients with a BMI <50 kg/m(2) was 6.7% (6 of 90) and 12% (12 of 100) with a BMI > or =50 kg/m(2) (NS). Surgical site infections occurred in 7 patients with a BMI <50 kg/m(2) and in 12 with a BMI > or =50 kg/m(2) (NS). Overall complication rate in patients with a BMI <50 kg/m(2) was 14.4% (13 of 90) and 24% (24 of 100) with a BMI > or =50 kg/m(2) (NS). CONCLUSIONS: With attention to careful surgical technique, DS can be performed relatively safely in the morbidly and super morbidly obese, and does not require a 2-stage procedure.
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The risks of two surgeries, two anesthesias, two immobilized recovery periods, and of failure to lose as much weight by not having both parts of the surgery done at the same time and thus losing the synergistic effects, are HIGHLY unlikely to be less than the risk of doing the DS in one surgery, in the hands of a skilled DS surgeon. Rabkin, for example, almost NEVER has to do just the VSG. Gagner, on the other hand, does it all the time. Buchwald is one of the most experienced at the DS as well, AND HE DOESN'T THINK IT IS SAFER TO DO IT IN TWO PARTS.
I had the kick-butt duodenal switch (DS)!
HW: 344 lbs CW: 150 lbs
Type 2 diabetes and sleep apnea GONE!
Here is the thing with Missy -- she has jumped in with her opinions several places, and then presented with facts to refute her 'opinion', she simply blocks the people who correct her inaccurate information.
She has made a choice that works for her -- great. NOBODY attempted to change her mind! I don't recall even one person challenging her on that decision. She jumped into threads that had nothing to do with her surgery choice. I understand that being so close to her surgery, she doesn't want to be confused by facts that counter her plan (she thinks going in for part 2 of the DS is a simple option for her if the VSG alone doesn't provide her with the results she seeks -- she thinks she will then have the benefit of a full virgin DS which is not true, and she thinks there is no risk to going under the knife yet again which is not true).
What is not acceptable, is that she presents these opinions as FACT, and throws around that her husband is a doctor, hoping to boost her opinion with credibility. It is irresponsible of her to say the least, and I can guarantee that her doctor husband would NOT be putting this crap out there as absolute medical advice.... he would be subjected to removal of his medical license.
I'm not quite sure what my 'personal agenda' is that Missy mentions. I guess wanting people to make an educated decision about what WLS would best meet their personal needs with facts is an agenda, but I don't see how that can be a bad thing. Her agenda seems to be that she wants to be an authority on something that she hasn't even gone through personally and can't back up her authority with research. When asked to back it up, she starts pulling out psycho babble, telling people to get therapy and blocking them.
This is dangerous. She is the ultimate 'authority' when she blocks everyone who disagrees with her so she can present her opinion, backed up by her 'doctor husband', as fact for others to take into consideration when making one of the most major decisions in their life without being corrected.
Oh, and I love the paper she presented (kind of, it isn't there, just mentioned) by Baltasar -- how many people do we know that travel all the way to Spain to have a DS with him?? I have not heard even once of someone having a DS done in two stages with him.
~ I am the proud wife of a Guatemalan, but most people call me Kimberley
Highest Known Weight = 370# / 59.7 bmi @ 5'6"
Current Weight = 168# / 26.4 bmi : fluctuates 5# either way @ 5'7" / more than 90% EWL
Normal BMI (24.9) = 159#: would have to compromise my muscle mass to get here without plastics, so this is not a goal.
I my DS. Don't go into WLS without knowing ALL of your options: DSFacts.com
For more info on the DS, please visit the DS Forum here on OH and www.dsfacts.com.
Nicolle
I had the kick-butt duodenal switch (DS)!
HW: 344 lbs CW: 150 lbs
Type 2 diabetes and sleep apnea GONE!

Thanks to all,
- Adrienne
