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Diabolique
on 9/15/12 3:34 am - Las Vegas, NV
RNY on 09/19/12
Topic: RE: Scarring
Thanks for responding.  With any luck my scarring will be minimal also.
MSW will not settle
on 9/14/12 8:49 pm, edited 9/15/12 7:05 am
Topic: MsLEE WHERE R U? THIS HISSY FIT NEEDS UR SUPPORT!


Those that know me have witnessed my raving lunatic periods over the years.  Folks generally ignore me which I think is a good move for most.  MsLee however understands me    .   God only knows why & how, but she always does. 

Yeah I'm mad and while most sane folk would put it on their personal page, I am not among the fully sane. 
Therefore, I'm going to vent to all of BAF and show my @$$ in public.     Its long.  I rant.  I rave.  I *****  I moan.  I whine.  I complain.  Read it.  Skip it.  Flame it.  This is your universe. 

Take heart however; four separate times I have been certified non psychotic. 
Perhaps should I loose my non psycho clearance, I'll have a good story to tell but this unrelated tale is for some other time.      I digress... sigh...

My non obesity related health issues are out of control at the moment.  That means meds are increased resulting in weight gain; suppress metabolism; over production of insulin; fatigue of the adrenal system; and induced cushings syndrome.  In short: A metabolic nightmare. 

Bottom line: I still have to loose the fat. 
I'm thirty pounds over my target weight as of yesterday.  Metabolically challenged peeps like me gaining 70-100 lbs in a few weeks' time is not un heard of.  

This is my diet for the next month given to me by my wl surgeon because I am already too fat and still gaining.   I've been pumped up with steroids & the pounds are piling on daily.  Add to that my thyroid is full to tender.  Add to that I have not been able to get in a real quality calorie burning workout.  And guess what?!?  More steroids coming.  Gotta LUV it being ME! 

To halt the weight gain and get me back into weight loss mode I was given the following diet to "jump start" me back into weight loss.   We've got folks protein training & looking for other ways to get back on point.  I'm going to share what I received during my follow up visit.  See the "Jump Start Diet" I was given yesterday below.  Some may find it a useful plan to get back to basics. 

This is what I learned at my 3+ years follow up:

1.  )  If you are gaining weight you may need to have an upper to make sure all parts of your wls are still as they should be.  I damned sure hope mine are but if something is broken it must be fixed.  The causes of my troubles may seem obvious, but my doc does not make assumptions.  He is checking it all out from the inside. 

2.  )  How many calories how far out is an on going debate.  My separate physicians disagree on calories and on what I should weigh.  I've been working with the middle of the road theory but it has kept me fluctuating 10-15 lbs over my target.  This in spite of being the calculation for my "ideal weight" with my level of exercise. 

There are many calories in vs calories out math equations.  For some of us metabolism is a crap shoot because we have been obese.  Add in other metabolic factors and many accepted norms do not apply.  Starting now I have to drop my calorie count by 500 calories.  Well below the "normal" calculation for my height, ideal weight, and exercise level you will find on any weight loss site. 

3.  )  Exercise matters but it may not count for your food intake.   That is, we need it for good health but your actual metabolic burn may not reflect your activity level.  Run an hour and burn 500 calories because you need the cardio.  Metabolically you may still need to eat as though you never get off your @$$ all day.  This is my situation.  

4.  )  Starvation mode is a real weight loss stopper for many with "normal" metabolisms.  Cutting calories too deeply may even be counter productive with some medical conditions.  For other folks, starvation is not easy even if you are often physically hungry. 

My surgeon estimates I must eat max 1100 calories a day with cardio & strength daily to hit and maintain my target.   That is half of what some calculators tell me and well below my endocrinologists recommendation.  I know what has not worked to date.  It will be minimal calorie eating to find what does work.   No calorie adjustments for regular cardio & strength training permitted. 


5.  )   Prepare to respond to accusations of food phobia and developing eating disorders when you express concern over weight gain although you wear a "normal" size.  I've heard this quackery from nutritionists since early post op.  It is my good fortune that my surgeon understands metabolism and he is a wls patient himself.  

Normal is not the same for all of us.  I went in complaining that I may put out someones eye if a button flew off of my snug dress (which was a larger than usual size for me).  Some doctors would say be glad you made it into the dress at all.   I want the doctor that says lets get the fat off before you need a new wardrobe.   


6.  )  Dieting will never end for some of us.  This is why I keep the word in my vocabulary.  I am not among those who has wls; eats less; looses the fat; and maintains the weight loss.  All as it should be. 

Every pound was a fight right from the start.  I had no wls honeymoon where I could watch the numbers fall.  You may have to choose to fight from day one and continue the fight for life. 

OK, I'm done *****ing.  For now. 

2legit2quit
on 9/14/12 7:41 pm - MS
RNY on 10/24/12
Topic: RE: Scared, Excited, Confused, Anxious
That's one of my biggest concerns also the sagging and being put to sleep. Like I haven't been put to sleep before. This is my second go around on the WLS, first one Realize Band '08 and next RNY. This will be my 3rd time put to sleep in a 12 year period; every 4 years starting in '04 with breast reduction. Something about this 3rd time, but when I look at the whole picture, I just pray and think about being healthy.
MSW will not settle
on 9/14/12 4:14 pm
Topic: RE: HOLD MY FEET TO THE FIRE! ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEING FAT
I am fat again, no doubt. 

For too long (August, 2010 to be exact) I've
been teetering on the edge of a normal bmi and above my ideal weight.  Well I have gained fifteen pounds this past week.  Yes folks, count em, 15 lbs.   My wl surgeon put my still expanding @$$ on a diet yesterday and I am glad for it. 

I have all the best reasons in the world for putting on real fat real fast.  However, this tells me I need to work overtime to reverse the situation.  Thank God my wl surgeon, while empathetic, is not having it.  Neither am I. 

While other well meaning and knowledgeable docs I see regularly are saying:
-  This is the way you are made metabolically
-  Plus you have other atypical issues, and
-  A blah blah blah, and
-  A yak yak yak... 
My weight loss surgeon is saying time to get thirty pounds off your @$$ before you hit that obesity mark again.   The "r" word as in revision never came up because neither of us are going to let it go there.  Have issues?  Take care of them pronto.  Fortunately this most recent round of fat gain coincided with my long over due check up. 

So folks, this is what it means to be several years out yet no where near a wls veteran.  In my pov a true vet has it under control.  They have developed a patttern of living that suits their needs and allows maintenance of a healthy weight in the best health they are able.   Perfection is not expected or implied.  Day to day they live so that inspite of their personal challenges with food, exercise etc, they will not become obese or seriously overweight again.  Perhaps this verteran is still obese; but, they ensure day to day that they do not return to where they started.  A line has been drawn in the sand and the veteran makes sure to stay on the correct side of that line. 

That is not me.   I am still a long way off.  While I refuse to buy larger clothes for any reason, I struggle with food issues.  On average my calories and exercise burn are pretty good.  However, day to day I have a few big swings per month.  I will get there but I'm not there yet. 

Why am I fat again?  I am not telling you.  Why am I not telling you?  Because of the words of our owm MsKim which I post every time I put this thread up:

NO MERCY AND NO EXCUSES


To explain here would distract from the point of my rambling on about weight gain.  "Why" is something we will each need to work out for ourselves.  "Why" is something some may be sympathetic towards and others view with contempt.  "Why" may help determine how you address the issue of weight gain. 

"WHY" WILL NOT FIX WEIGHT GAIN. 
WHAT MATTERS RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOU DO WHAT EVER IS NECESSARY TO LOOSE THE WEIGHT.  

Three pounds do not have to become thirty pounds.  Not having reached your goal weight after several years does not mean never reaching your goal weight.  You do not have to feel shame for loosing the enthusiasm you started out with.  You do not have to be embarrassed because someone may talk **** about your regain. 

All of the above is other folk's baggage.  Your baggage is to get the fat off of your @$$ for good.  Let other folks pull their own little red wagons and concern yourself only with yours. 





MSW will not settle
on 9/14/12 3:17 pm
Topic: HOLD MY FEET TO THE FIRE! ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEING FAT
ACCOUNTABILITY MISSION: NO MERCY AND NO EXCUSES 

TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH AND BE ACCOUNTABLE: 


THERE IS ALWAYS A "WHY" BUT DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT?  Is it insufficient weight loss?  Weight gain?  Failure to meet your pre op goals to get wls approval?  Difficulty doing this with diet and exercise alone? 

What is your reason for being fat?  Do you have to own it forever or can you let it go? 

Pick one tihing that can make or break you today. 
Self sabotage opportunities always exist.  Put it out there.  No lies or self delusions.  How are you really holding against your life time eating plan on a daily basis?  How will you keep from breaking today?  If you fall, what will it take to get right back up? 

What is today's reason for doing less than you could?  We can always find something that impedes our progress.  The things that hold us back have a way of getting out attention.  Have you noticed that the means to overcome our obstacles also stand up and cheer?  Make a decision today:  Will you focus on your desired outcome or on the obstacles to success. 


TELL IT STRAIGHT PEOPLE.  That is, be straight with YOURSELF.  What are you eating?  How are you exercising?  What is working?  What needs correcting?  How are you objectively measuring your progress? 

Think about what went well and what was not so nice recently.  Consider what works for you and what is counter productive.  Make a plan.  Work your program.  Be good to yourself today. 


   
...All are welcome, jump in at anytime.


For reference:

5 Day Pouch Test (5DPT) website 
http://www.5daypouchtest.com/plan/theplan.html
5 Day Pouch Test Instructions
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/black_american/3995048/Hold-my-feet-to-the-fire-please-Accountability-Mision/

 
Protein Train Instructions 
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/black_american/3993571/Protein-Train-Educate-me-please/#32309205

 
Wagon Plan Instructions 
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/black_american/3650242/The-Wagon-Plan-Get-back-on-the-wagon

 
Overeaters Anonymous
Online Meetings Around the Clock * Information on changing eating behavior 

Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF) 
The no op version.  This version is still severe but far more liberal than the one many pre ops are given.   
http://www.holisticmd.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ProteinSparingModifiedFast.pdf 

Daily calorie needs calculator
A more advanced calculator that's still easy to use.   
Advanced option lets you choose from  3 different calculation methods.  Enter data once for calorie needs at maintenance;  plus calorie needs for 2 different levels of weight loss; and, results include a week long calorie cycling plan.  Calculator  takes into account age and gender as well as activity level.  Links to other calculators are on the same page.  
http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm


Podrunner
Not just for runners.  Site has a variety of workout music and music timed to progressive running programs for 5k, 8k, 10k, and speed.  In place indoors, treadmill, or at the track run to the beat and you'll complete the stated distance.  There is also a variety of interval training music from about 130 bpm up to to 180 bpm; and, fixed bpm workout music as well.  Lengths of tracts vary but there is a speed/ length to suit most workout needs.  
http://www.djsteveboy.com/mixes.html

A WORKOUT site to get you started or keep you going
http://www.exrx.net/index.html


No special equipment is required for this group of progressive workout programs designed for those new to it all and for those wanting to step it up a notch.  Perhaps you can only do one or even none today.  Perhaps you do quite a few already.  Either extreme or somewhere in the middle, this self challenge is still for you. 
http://www.twohundredsitups.com/

http://www.hundredpushups.com/

http://www.onefiftydips.com/

http://www.twohundredsquats.com/

http://www.twentyfivepullups.com/

USDA - database, nutrition facts
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

                   MSW   Roux-En-Y Gastric Bypass: Eat sensibly & enjoy moderation  

 Links:  Are you a compulsive eater?  for help OA meets on-line Keep Coming Back, One Day At a Time  Overeaters Anonymous 

               LV'N MY RNY.  WORKING FOR ME BECAUSE I WORK FOR IT. 

MSW will not settle
on 9/14/12 2:30 pm, edited 9/14/12 2:30 pm
Topic: RE: MsLEE WHERE R U? THIS HISSY FIT NEEDS UR SUPPORT!
MsLee does this remind you of anything?     I swear it looks to me like a low carb version of EFS which you know I could not stick with for God, love nor money.  This is my next month people.     Holy crap this camper is not a happy one but if it gets the fat off I will be. 


My doc's "Jump Start" plan for weight gain

FOLLOW FOR TWO WEEKS

BREAKFAST :
-  1 SCOOP PROTEIN POWDER WITH 8OZ SKIM OR 1% MILK  -OR-  1 RTD PROTEIN SHAKE
-  1 SMALL FRESH FRUIT  -OR-  1/2 CUP DICED FRUIT


LUNCH :
-  1 SCOOP PROTEIN POWDER WITH 8OZ SKIM OR 1% MILK  -OR-  1 RTD PROTEIN SHAKE

SNACK :
-  6 OZ LIGHT YOGURT  -OR-  1/2 CUP LOW FAT COTTAGE CHEESE  -OR-  1 STRING CHEESE
-  1 SMALL FRESH FRUIT  -OR-  1/2 CUP DICED FRUIT

DINNER :
- 3 OZ PROTEIN (LEAN MEAT, FISH, OR POULTRY NOT BREADED OR FRIED)
- 2 OZ NON STARCHY VEGETABLES (NO POTATOES, CORN, PEAS, OR BEANS) IN 1 TABLESPOON OF OLIVE OIL

AFTER 2 WEEK JUMP START :
-  EAT 3 MEALS AT REGULAR INTERVALS
-  FOCUS ON PROTEIN
(MEAT, LOW FAT CHEESE, EGGS, SEAFOOD, POULTRY) AT MEALS, 3-4 OUNCES AT EACH MEAL
-  HAVE A FRUIT OR VEGETABLE AT EACH MEAL, ABOUT 2 OUNCES
-  HAVE A SMALL DAIRY (
LIGHT YOGURT, COTTAGE CHEESE, STRING CHEESE) AND FRUIT SNACK
-  AVOID/ LIMIT STARCHY CARBOHYDRATES (BREAD, PASTA, CRACKERS, RICE,
POTATOES, CORN, BEANS ETC)


To be fat or not to be fat.  How bad do I want it?  I want it enough to keep getting up each time I fall.  We know I will fall repeatedly.  Sure could use a dunkin donuts french cruller about now.          

                   MSW   Roux-En-Y Gastric Bypass: Eat sensibly & enjoy moderation  

 Links:  Are you a compulsive eater?  for help OA meets on-line Keep Coming Back, One Day At a Time  Overeaters Anonymous 

               LV'N MY RNY.  WORKING FOR ME BECAUSE I WORK FOR IT. 

MSW will not settle
on 9/14/12 2:27 pm
Topic: RE: HOLD MY FEET TO THE FIRE! ACCOUNTABILITY EVERY WEEK
The share button killed BAF.  Folks did not want their wls issues on showing up on fb walls.  We lost the best of our old school tell it like it is vets.    Still, some of us won't let BAF die. 
retta
on 9/14/12 1:32 pm - Bogart, GA
Topic: Who's Riding? (Protein Train Ride)
COME JOIN THE PROTEIN TRAIN RIDE!

We are pulling out Sunday, Sept. 16, 2012. See the rules below and report the next morning (Start Monday, about Sunday meals) what you had for breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and beverages. I'm going to start off on a 1 week ride, depending on how smooth the ride is I may make it a 2 week ride.

Remember the rule of the Train!
  The goal is to put your body in ketosis and burn fat. Therefore, you must STAY BELOW 20g of carbs PER DAY. Go to google.com to read about ketosis. On this train ride, you CAN NOT EAT: - Bread of any kind (bagels, crackers, waffles, pancakes, toast, wheat bread, white bread, rye bread, pumpernickel, sourdough - you get the picture). - Rice - Potatoes (white or sweet) - Flour - Gravy - Beans - Sweets (cakes, pies, candy, cookies, M&M's or anything in this family) - Fruit nor fruit juices - Nuts (pecans, brazil nuts, walnuts, peanuts, hazelnuts or anything in this family) - More than one (1) green, leafy, vegetable You CAN EAT: - Any meat (read the labels because some meats have carbs) - Jerky - Eggs - Cheese - One green, leafy vegetable per day (collards, turnips, kale, spinach, romaine lettuce, bibb lettuce) ** BROCCOLI AND GREEN BEANS DO NOT FALL IN THIS CATEGORY ** - Protein shakes (read the labels) - Protein bars (read the labels) - As much water (or other SF, Sodium free, calorie free, caffeine free, carbonation free beverage) as you can hold.

Remember to get in at least an extra 8 ozs of water during the ride to allow your body to get rid of the fat that will be flushed out of your system.

Enhance your ride by doing some sort of activity today.

THE PROTEIN TRAIN IS GETTING READY TO TAKE OFF!
retta
on 9/14/12 1:30 pm - Bogart, GA
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on 9/14/12 11:24 am - Knightdale, NC
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