OT - From the "WTF Files..."

there is no consent when it's your parent.  Period.  I couldn't even say as an adult that she could be thought of as responsible.

I was abused by my mom as a kid - she did physical examinations of me naked and inspected ms. kitty when I came back home from dates and things after I was date raped by a boyfriend (which she felt was my fault) - She would tell me to strip and lay down - I did.  That's technically consent because I didn't refuse - but as a child - could I really???

You're absolute right!

Sorry to hear that but I totally agree with you.

This was put online this am:

Dr. Drew Pinsky first learned about the incestuous relationship between Mackenzie Phillips and her father John Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas during a session of the Vh1’s reality TV show Celebrity Rehab, according to FemaleFirst. However, Dr. Drew was asked, out of respect for her family, not to make those discussions public. Dr. Drew told Extra:

“(John Phillips was) almost a cult leader, where he was sort of using mind control over people and telling them that his way of seeing things was the right way. When you’re a kid, you have no other way of seeing things and if you’re then given drugs and addicted at the same time, it’s hopeless for the young person.

This was despicable situation."

Dr. Drew should be commended for not trying to convince Mackenzie Phillips to open up on his show exclusively for a boost in ratings, since he knew about this bombshell story months ago before she revealed her story on.....
 

IMO,,

I think that she is trying to sell her books,,  she hasn't "made" any commericals or movies
in years.,, WHY didn't she bring all this crap to the table when he was alive,, why do these
child stars start running their mouths,, when the person involved is dead,, and can't speak
on it.   There are just as many people saying this isn't true,, as there are people that are
saying it is true.  My sister was "sexually abused" by my Dad for years,, I call it "sexually
abused",, but really ,,, it wasn't.  He was my Dad,, and her "step-Dad".

Her sister Bijou also confirmed that mackenzie shared with her when she was younger that their father was abusing her and Mackenzie would always check with her to see if he had started on her yet.

Also, sexual abuse is sexual abuse, regardless of it's a relative, friend or other.  It is incest, if it is committed by a blood relative.  Please don't negate what she went through.

I found this...

“I know Mackenzie to be practicing a rigorous program of honesty," Dr. Drew told Access Hollywood on Wednesday. “She would not be sober right now if she were not being completely honest all the time. She may have had distortions about that relationship but there is no doubt whatever happened severely traumatized her."
 

Dr. Drew explained that he’s not surprised that some members of Mackenzie’s family, stepmoms Genevieve Phillips and Michelle Phillips, have spoken out against her claims. (Half-sister Chynna Phillips has reportedly said she believes Mackenzie.)
 

“I’m sure the family [has] very conflicted feelings about this," he continued. “There may be aspects of this that are inaccurate but there is just no doubt in my mind that Mackenzie had severe trauma growing up and I didn’t find any other sources of trauma than this in my work with her."
 

As for the timing of the shocking allegations she makes in her new book, “High On Arrival," Dr. Drew said it could be about settling the score with her late father.
 

“I get the feeling that she’s needed to tell the story for some time. She talked a little bit about how conflicted she was about how people idealized her father and really shamed her for being an addict," he explained. “In a way, she may need to set the score right."
 

Dr. Drew, who treated Mackenzie during Season 3 of “Celebrity Rehab," said he is concerned for the future of Mackenzie’s recovery, but said that is the case with anyone struggling with addiction.
 

Doesn't surprise me that the "mom" are denying it.  They were supposed to be her "gate keepers & protectors"  to admit that this took place on their watches, would be them admitting that they were at fault. 

When my mother confronted her own mom about her abuse by one of her brothers, my grandmother didn't believe her either, but my mom's older sisters did, as they had seen evidence of other sexual freakiness with this particular brother.

Doesn't surprise me that the "mom" are denying it.  They were supposed to be her "gate keepers & protectors"  to admit that this took place on their watches, would be them admitting that they were at fault. 


You know, I couldn't imagine being in that situation.  If the ex-wives were say that they believe her they will have to admit to themselves that they were duped by somebody they once loved.  I would imagine that they are experiencing some very complicated emotions right now - shock, anger, feeling stupid, needing to feel loyal to his memory and maybe bruised ego too. 
     Husband cheated.
     Husband was a pervert.
     Husband found his own daughter more desirable than them. 

Dang...

That is true as well.