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(deactivated member)
on 12/15/05 2:38 am - Oak park, MI
Topic: RE: OT: Horrid grammar and spelling
It bothers me too. I have a hard time taking someone seriously who has NO idea how to use periods to end sentences. I try not to be too picky as I know not everyone has had the benefit of education, but it helps if they try a little. My husband gets a newsletter from his company once a month. The President writes his own thing at the end. That guy has the worst writing skills I haver seen for someone in a position of that level. He uses dashes instead of periods. It is laughable and embarrassing. Doesn't he have a secretary to proofread for him? UGH! My own director at my old job used to run every letter and email past me for proofreading as she knew her skills were not up to par. She knew she needed help and I never minded lending my skills. The director after her was horrible! Her I's were not even capitalized. If you cannot type a complete sentence, you should not be in a position of authority. I am so happy to be educated. I had the Nazi teacher from hell when I first started college who drilled proper sentence structure into my head where it is permanantly etched for life. Terri
katiemother
on 12/14/05 10:47 pm - Northern, VA
Topic: RE: OT: Horrid grammar and spelling
Guilty. Although I proof my posts, I always find an error after I post. Maybe if we pray, our spelling and grammar will improve. Barb
LizH
on 12/14/05 1:07 pm - Cheverly, MD
Topic: OT: Horrid grammar and spelling
First off, I'm an editor, so I'm a grammar nazi by trade. But is anyone else *horrified* by the vast majority of posts on this site? It doesn't seem to be a matter of people simply being in a rush or feeling too informal to bother cleaning up -- it seems like these mistakes wouldn't come naturally to someone with more than a 3rd-grade education. And yet it's so pervasive, by people who look completely "normal" in their pictures. It's mind-boggling. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to resign myself to "loosing wait."
(deactivated member)
on 12/14/05 6:51 am - Las Vegas, NV
Topic: RE: Honesty?
I think you may have misunderstood my post... I DO think I took the easy way out. Why would I not be ignorant for thinking this, and a non-op would be? When I was pre-op, I thought I was taking the easy way out, was I ignorant then, but not now? My point is that people have different opinions than ours (heck, you and I have different opinions), it does not make them ignorant. If THEY are ignorant for believing WLS is the easy way out, consistency demands that you label me likewise ignorant, for I hold the same opinion. You are wrong about my decission, it WAS easy. Didn't vex or lament about it one second. I was not unhealthy, aside from the fact that 300 pounds overweight is inherently unhealthy, I had no comorbidities that the WLS was going to fix. The pain of surgery, and all the stuff that goes with surgery, was my trade-off for getting fast, easy weight loss. I traded something I did not have, willpower, for something I could deal with, temporary pain and discomfort, to acheive my end. To hold that temporary discomfort up as some sort of badge of acheivement would be hypocritical. As I've said before, I've got other things I did achieve, the RNY pouch can have credit for weight loss. Losing weight without WLS is IMHO about discipline or willpower, discipline or willpower I did not possess. I could lose weight in the short run, but did not have the willpower, mojo, or whatever it is to do it for the longer term. With WLS, it would have been harder (and in fact, sometimes is) NOT to lose weight. Morbid Obesity is something I did to myself. I put the food and drink in my mouth. Others may be able to blame other things for their Morbid Obesity, by I place the blame for my morbid obesity on me. Tek
Jessica D.
on 12/14/05 5:50 am - Edmonds, WA
Topic: RE: Honesty?
Tek, I think you misunderstood my post. I would never say that someone who had WLS was ignorant. I feel quite the opposite, actually. I feel the ingnorant come in the form of the people who think that you, or anyone who has had WLS, is taking the easy way out. As I said, there is NOTHING easy about the decision you made, the preparations for surgery, the surgery itself, or the entire reprogramming of your life post-op. I think it's awesome that you are losing weight quickly and easily: without WLS, you may never have had that opportunity! Somehow people think that losing weight is all about discipline, suffering, and sucking it up to change a problem we ourselves created. But what is lost on them is the fact that each and every person who has ever tried to lose weight --over and over again--have had discipline, and they have suffered--but the disease of food addiction was beyond their control. I'm not sure how a person could equate WLS with the easy way out; by the time one qualifies for WLS, it's damn near a matter of life or death. I wholeheartedly respect anyone who has or will have WLS. It's a monumental change in life, and one that each of you had to work long and to acheive. Please accept my apology if I sounded as though you or anyone who'd surgery was ignorant. My ranting was in the direction of those who don't have a clue as to what we all go through to make that decision to go through with WLS, and that there is nothing EASY about it. Jessica
(deactivated member)
on 12/13/05 11:47 pm - Las Vegas, NV
Topic: RE: Honesty?
You have something I didn't have when it comes to weight loss, for which I admire you. I guess I am ignorant, because I did take the easy way out. I have never lost weight so easily, so quickly, as I have with RNY. Tek
(deactivated member)
on 12/13/05 12:14 pm - Oak park, MI
Topic: March of the Penguins
If you have not seen this movie, you should. What a testiment to evolution. I know the chrisitans would see it as Gods great design, but we Atheists will see evolution in full force. Well worth the rental.
Jessica D.
on 12/13/05 11:43 am - Edmonds, WA
Topic: RE: Honesty?
I haven't had surgery and won't be having it, but I do take offense to people saying, "you're losing weight so well; at least you didn't take the easy way out with surgery." How ignorant!!! What is easy about having your insides rewired, and having to take vitamins, eat a certain way, and completely obliterate certain foods from your diet or face dumping/vomiting, and physical misery. What is easy about learning to eat a way you've never eaten before?? I am loosely donig the Adkins diet and it has helped me lose 53 pounds since June. People ask me what I'm doing and I'm honest; I am loosely--which means I do go off the plan on occasion--I'm not going for anyone's view of sainthood; I'm trying to find a way to lose weight that I can live with!! I do tell them I exercise my butt off 90 minutes a day, 5 days a week, and that's the best I can do. I don't pray. I don't think anyone or anything is helping me: I am doing this, the best I can, all by my damn self. I have the love and support of my partner and my family, don't get me wrong. But when I hear, "Thank god you found something that works for you," or, "god knows you're working hard and he's rewarding you." I'm learning to take control over my life, over my decisions, and over the conseqences. It's time for me to grow up and do what I can to make my life what I think I deserve. I wanted surgery, and tried with every fiber of my being to have it, but since that road had a big old boulder slammed into the middle of it, I took the detour that lead me here. We're all just doing the best we can with the options we have. I think it rocks that so many of you were given the opportunity to turn your life around through the surgery. Few people get it, but I most certainly do. Jessica
LizH
on 12/13/05 8:59 am - Cheverly, MD
Topic: RE: Attitudes toward Muslims and Athiests
I work at the House of Representatives, and we get this little handbook with all the members' biographical info. I went through the whole thing, looking at people's religions. Out of 435, 3 didn't list a religion. (Of course none listed atheist/agnostic.) (And forgive me, I don't remember which three right now.)
katiemother
on 12/13/05 1:19 am - Northern, VA
Topic: Attitudes toward Muslims and Athiests
I love Kevin Drum's blog. Here's an clip. Full bog found here. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ MUSLIMS AND ATHEISTS....Eugene Volokh takes a look at a couple of different polls regarding attitudes toward the religious views of political candidates: [In 2003], 49% said the candidate's being a Muslim would make it less likely that they'd vote for him, though presumably for some respondents, there would remain some possibility that they'd vote for the Muslim candidate. Yet in 1999, only 26% of respondents said they'd consider voting "for a political candidate who doesn't believe in God" (even without any reference to the possibly emotionally laden term "atheist"), and 69% apparently wouldn't even consider such a possibility. On the other hand, half the country voted for Richard Nixon on the thin pretense that he was still a Quaker, so it's not as if you have to betray your own principles all that much to get elected president. At any rate, I guess the atheists can adopt this as their new motto: "Now only 50% more hated than Muslims!" Progress marches on.
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