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on 7/10/09 10:44 am
Topic: RE: Do you regret the type of wls you had?

I've been thinking about this as a pre-op, too, and asking myself which WLS I would most and least regret. I initially wanted to get the gastric band, and I agree that there is no magic cure, and that people need to choose the best WLS for their individual cir****tances. However, after researching all of the options, I’ve decided I would have the least risk of regrets with either the VSG or the DS, and I think I would most regret the band. I’m sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s just the conclusion I have come to based on my research of the WLS options. I’m sure there are many people who get the band and are very happy with it, though.

Ultimately, I’ve decided on the VSG, and here are the main reasons why:
1.    I’m going to have to be self-pay, and I can barely afford VSG, so DS would be too expensive right now. The good news is that if VSG doesn’t give me the weight loss I need after a few years, it can be converted to a DS (being that the sleeve is the first step in the DS). Plus, I’d be paying long-term for the fills if I got a band.
2.    My BMI is under 40 (barely, but still). The EWL data are stellar for people in my BMI range who get VSG--better than the EWL for other WLS procedures. The percentage of EWL isn’t as good the higher the BMI goes up, but even then it’s still good (just not the 90% EWL average that is has for my BMI range).
3.    I don’t want to deal with dumping or food getting stuck, nor do I want to have to eliminate various types of food from my diet altogether. I’d like to enjoy small amounts of all types of foods. I also don't want to deal with vitamin/nutrient deficiencies if I don't have to in order to maintain a healthy weight.
4.    Much lower levels of ghrelin while I’m in the weight-loss stage of my journey (when ghrelin levels would otherwise go up)? Yes, please!

I do have some concerns, of course. None of these procedures are without drawbacks. My main concerns/gripes about VSG are that it will be annoying not to be able to drink with my meals (I can get over that, but I envy the DSers on this point) and that I could regain if the sleeve stretches a lot and the ghrelin levels return to being high and I start slipping into mindless eating habits (this is just as much a risk with GB or RNY, though, from what I've read). The regain possibility scares me, because I’d hate to spend all that money only to regain! But, my chances of long-term weight loss are much better with VSG than they are with continuing the self-defeating cycle of dieting. So, that’s a risk I’ll have to take. And, again, if VSG ultimately doesn’t keep the weight off, I have the option to go to a DS.

I have comments and questions on a couple of the points Sandy made in her well written and informative post (I realize she wrote that several months ago, but I’d still like to reply in case anyone reading this might have some feedback).

Sandy wrote:
“Since the band and the RNY have nearly identical loss at 4-5 years (with the band slightly better)
(see this current study's graph:
 http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/LapBand/3665405… I personally chose the WLS with the smallest risk of death, major complications, and with the best chance for longterm success.”


My thoughts:
Hmm…yeah, I’ve heard that statistic, too. But what’s the source for these data? It doesn’t say in the link you provided. Anyhow, I quoted that statistic to my surgeon, and he pointed out a major caveat: the study/review that came up with this statistic was actually funded by the company that makes the band being studied. Slight conflict of interest, no? He said they manipulated some of the data in order to get this statistic that “proves” the lap band is as effective as other WLS procedures. But other studies (not funded by anyone with a major financial interest in a certain outcome) have shown otherwise, as has his personal experience with performing 1000s of WLS procedures (mainly RNY and gastric banding) over the past seven years. So, I’m pretty skeptical of buying into that statistic. It’s great if it’s true, but I’m not so sure of its objectivity. Are there several studies (not funded by any of the band manufacturers) that show this statistic? If so, then maybe it is more legit than I’m thinking it is.

Additionally, maybe initially lap band is the safest procedure, but as for “the best chance of long-term success”? Nowhere have I heard or read that lap band can make that claim. My surgeon made it clear that he would do banding if that’s what his patient wants, but he definitely wouldn’t recommend it over VSG for a restrictive-only WLS because his experience is that people don’t have great long-term success with it. I can see no reason why he would have a financial interest in saying this, because he’d make way more money in the long run with lap band patients, due to the numerous, ongoing times they have to go in for fills.

Sandy wrote: “I personally would never consider … the sleeve because it removes most of the stomach and we simply don't know yet what the longterm side-effects of removing those essential hormones is.”

Good point. I, too, was concerned about this when I first started looking into the sleeve. It really worried me that they’ve only been doing VSG for a few years, so who knows what kind of negative effect it would have on body chemistry to remove a large part of the stomach? That was a hard one for me to get past. However, I started researching it some more, and it turns out that partial gastrectomy (i.e., removing part of/most of the stomach, but not all of it) is a procedure that has been around for a long time, mostly for the treatment of stomach cancer or severe ulcers. So this isn’t actually a brand-spanking new concept to surgery in general, even though it is newer to bariatric surgery. And from what I can tell, there haven’t been any hormonal problems associated with the partial gastrectomies for cancer or ulcer treatment. So why should there be with VSG? Am I totally misunderstanding this correlation here? If so, please let me know, because I do want to make the most informed decision possible.

Also, from all of the primary medical research I’ve read on the VSG, the conclusions say that it’s successful in the short and immediate-term for weight loss, but that more time needs to go by before the long-term weight loss effectiveness can be officially determined, although it looks very promising. In none of those studies (and I’ve read a lot) has there been mention of a problem with missing essential hormones after partial gastrectomy.

Potential leaks are a complication of VSG, though, and it would admittedly suck to have that complication. That concerns me about getting the VSG, but that complication risk is very low, so I’m willing to risk it in the much higher likelihood that my comorbidities related to obesity will resolve post-op (and for all the reasons previously mentioned in this post).

OldMedic
on 7/9/09 9:21 am - Alvaton, KY
Topic: RE: VSG Regrets?
You heard incorrectly.  That is something that some DS people spread around, but it isn't true.  In fact, the 3-5 year studies show that weight regain with the VSG is lower by far than with the RnY, the band or the DS.

You also do not have dumping, no chronic diarrhea, no gas problems, etc.

The fact is that many people that were scheduled for the DS, do not bother to have the 2nd procedure done, because they lose adequately with only the sleeve.

I am a 65 y/o male, who weighed 360 pounds on the day of surgery.   I walk for exercise, just walk.  No other exercise at all.  I eat anything I feel like eating, including ice cream, chocolate candy, fried foods, baked goods, regular cereal, etc., etc.  I just eat small amounts of those things, and not very often.  I also enjoy salads, raw vegies, you name it and I can and do eat it.  I had Calamari the other night, Yummmmm.

I take vitamnis daily (a multi-vitamin, Calcium Citrate with Vitamin D, a B-Complex, and fiber tablets).

I have lost 136.5 pounds in just over 9 months, and it's been EASY.  I can still only eat about 1/2-3/4 of a cup at any one time (the more solid it is, the less I can eat).

At the program where I had my syrgery, they have been tracking all of the sleeve (VSG) patients, and have yet to see anyone that stays on a reasonable diet plan regain much weight. 

Those that force down food (and you have to to overeat, and it is a horribly uncomfortable feeling), and *****fuse to follow a reasonable diet, do regain weight.  But, they have done it to themselves.

There are all kinds or rumors going around about the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy.  Most of them are by surgeons that have absolutely no experience with it; or are by patients with other forms of surgery that are spreading around "the old wives tales".

If you want the true story about the VSG, I would suggest that you contact;  The Center for Weight Loss Surgery at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, TN.

And no, I do not work there, and have nobody in my family that does.  I am just very, very pleased with my sleeve, and I credit that program with literally restoring my life to me.



A former Army Medic (1959-1969), Registered Nurse (1969-2000), College Instructor (1984-1989) and a retired Rehabilitation Counselor.  I am also a dual citizen of the USA and Canada.

High Weight 412 lbs.                    Date of Surgery 360.5                                 Present  170 lbs   

        
OldMedic
on 7/9/09 9:08 am - Alvaton, KY
Topic: RE: Do you regret the type of wls you had?
I have no regrets at all.  I'm 65 years old (as i was on the day of surgery), and I've lost 136.5 pounds in just over 9 months.  I feel better than I did at 40, am wearing cl;othing in sizes I haven't been able to wear in 30 years., and I have a ton of energy.



A former Army Medic (1959-1969), Registered Nurse (1969-2000), College Instructor (1984-1989) and a retired Rehabilitation Counselor.  I am also a dual citizen of the USA and Canada.

High Weight 412 lbs.                    Date of Surgery 360.5                                 Present  170 lbs   

        
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NMaMi

on 6/25/09 1:31 pm - Cohoes, NY
Topic: RE: Why didn't I do it sooner...
Can you please request me?? I have so many questions for you and you look great!!!
                ♥ ~Alexandra RNY Completed 8/19/09~ ♥
  Height 5'1--HW 266*/CW-200*/GW-125*

www.myspace.com/lilprnene or www.facebook.com/Yasenias.Mommy
    
shana35t
on 6/23/09 11:55 am
Topic: RE: Alcohol??
Yes !!!!! I know how you feel I'm going through the same thing as a result have gained back 38 lbs. It's been about 41/2 years as well. I never reached my goal weight because 7 months out I found out I was pregnant.... so that meant I was gonna gain weight I was so mad. I did loose the weight after having my son who is now 4 years old.  
shana35t
on 6/23/09 11:44 am
Topic: RE: Anyone else out there that isn't enjoying their WLS?
I understand Jo-Anna I had the Gastric bypass five  years ago. I never got to reach my goal weight which was 175lbs. I was 364lbs before the surgery. I had a major set back cause seven months out I learned that I was pregnant with my now 4 year son. I was afraid to go back for my final graduation visit feeling my doctor would see a failure.... I was relieved that he wasn't. He did say that it was common. I was working out @ the gym where I worked daily and was not loosing weight and didn't know why until I started getting morning sickness. I was so upset.  I have stories to share but I'll need to write a ten mile paragraph. The thing I regret the most is that I only got to reach 230lb goal now I am back to 268. I'm scared. I also have no stamina, I stay tired and weak. I haven't worked out in about 1 year I don't know how get motivated again. I can't to join a gym now because I am now unemployed.... and depressed.
Pakrn
on 6/22/09 3:29 am - Levittown, PA
Topic: RE: scheduled for surgery 6/1, got postponed...now I don't want know if I want it at all
Closure,

It is normal to be scared and nervous at this point. I had a few moments of reget in the hospital, when I was nauseous and though is this what I'm going to feel like!! The nurses gave me zofran and it helped tremendously. Walking on the unit was the best medicine. I felt sooo much better after a walk. The more I walked the better I felt. (sounds gross)But I was passing gas on post op day 2 and I really felt better!!

Once home I had to fine my way with what I could eat and drink, It seems trial and error works best. Some things work better then others. Soups have been my best friend and the magic bullet is the best invention known to WLS patients. I have to admit I have not felt this good in years. I went to the local mall today and walked for 20 mins and it was great!!

Don't let your fears keep you a prisoner in your body, relize your goals are attainable and go for it!!!!

Keep in touch Pat K.
                                       Many receive advice, only the wise benefit from it!    
David R.
on 6/21/09 5:39 am - Atlanta, GA
Topic: RE: scheduled for surgery 6/1, got postponed...now I don't want know if I want it at all
Closure,

I completely understand the nerves of the surgery.  I had mine in March of 2008.  The actual weight loss surgery was a success.  I do remember coming out of postop feeling like hell and asking myself why did I do this?  But, that soon passed and I was up walking and out of the hospital within two days.  Was ok for the first 7 days and then the 7th day I became extremely dehydrated.  My surgeon admitted me and I was put on fluids.  Either before that or during that stay in the hospital, I developed a blood clot in my legs--a pretty severe one.  I was laid up in the hospital for 8 days.  My legs were probably close to twice the size they were before the surgery.  I seriously could not walk without a walker.  I was also put on blood thinners, with my internal wounds not having healed completely, gave me a horrible case of anemia.  When I finally was able to go home, my energy was so low I would have to take a breather going from my bedroom to the kitchen.  I remember being extremely upset and depressed.  And, to add insult to injury, I wasn't losing any weight (had actually gained 20 lbs from the excess fluid of the clot).

Well, after about a month, things began to correct themselves.  The swelling started to go down.  I still was dealing with the anemia, but it was getting better.  I was able to go back to work.  By May, I was losing weight at a good clip.  I was feeling better and better about myself.  A year and 3 months out, I am at a "normal" BMI and I would do it all over again and suffer all the same things again if need be.  But, this is a massive surgery.  It is important to know that complications are very real and it is something that you have to understand.  But, with following the guidelines and your doctor's instructions, the rewards of the surgery are massive as well.

I wish you great success in any decision that you make! 
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closure
on 6/20/09 10:01 am - PA
Topic: scheduled for surgery 6/1, got postponed...now I don't want know if I want it at all
I'm here because I want to hear true stories of regret and complications. A lot of people on the forum have told me, along with others, that after surgery it will be normal to have regrets. I have doubts about having my RNY as it is...imagine how bad I'd be after surgery. Anyway...why do you regret your surgery? Why would or wouldn't you do this again?
    
horserider0146
on 6/19/09 10:48 am - River Falls, WI
Topic: RE: I am getting tired of the complications...when will it stop
Unfortunately for some of us, they never stop. I am six years out adn I am still having problems, serious ones. I am looking at having my roux-n-y reversed cause of the problems as a last ditch effort to get rid of it. I hope it helps but they dont know fore sure, only a 60% chance it will help at all. Sorry and I hope yours stop

Alannah
 
 
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