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You asked to help, and people were responding. You have to keep trying things, just because it didn't work well the first time, doesn't mean it will always be that way. How about eggs? Low fat cheese? Tuna fish, mixed with low fat mayonnaise? Greek Yogurt? Ricotta Cheese? I understand your frustrated, but it appears that you really don't want help as much as to complain.
Lisa
Some people are idiots, and just don't get it. They ask for help, deny the actual problem, and refuse good advice.
6'3" tall, male.
Highest weight was 475. RNY on 08/21/12. Current weight: 198.
M1 -24; M2 -21; M3 -19; M4 -21; M5 -13; M6 -21; M7 -10; M8 -16; M9 -10; M10 -8; M11 -6; M12 -5.
on 7/22/15 11:29 am
I am trying to close my account here due to the insulting and ignorant comments I have gotten such as this last one. No one has really listened to or understood what I have said here. Prior to this coment I have remained calm and it is the arrogant know-it-alls who have disrespected me. I have repeatedly stated that I eat the foods I am able to eat -- nothing more or less. People such as you who have not carefully read what I have written then blame me for eating only what I am able to eat. This is a most ignorant statement and just one more reason I am closing my account here. If the site will not do this for me I will simply disable notifications. I was trying to be helpful here in warning others that the surgery is sometimes counterproductive. It was for me and two other people I know (and we three are the only ones I know who have had the procedure). This is information the medical industry does not seem to want publicized and it has meant with arrogant, disrespectful, and ignorant comments on this site. This is absolutely the last I will say here and I will immediately disable notices while I wait for the site to inform as to how to completely remove my account.
on 7/22/15 8:40 am
Doctors understanding the cutting. Nutritionists still use the food pyramid. 99% of the time neither have been MO. The best advice is from vets and people who have actually layed on the table. Seems to me your diet is impeding your weight loss and your refusal to talk calmly and respectfully to people who try to offer advice. You are laying the failure of the sleeve on a surgery in which the only thing is done is cutting down the stomach to a size we all were actually born with.
"The first thing I do in the morning is brush my teeth and sharpen my tongue." --- Dorothy Parker
"You may not like what I say or how I say it, but it may be just exactly what you need to hear." ---Kathryn White
on 7/21/15 9:33 pm
My wife is not having gallbladder issues of which we are aware. This will be my last communication on this website. I have spent many hours speaking to doctors and nutritionists about my issues, and have read a great deal of material about the matters involved with my concerns (between my wife and I we have six college degrees, three of them in health care -- so we are both able to understand these things). I am in very poor health just now (unrelated to the surgery and not a possible contributor to the nausea) and find it difficult to maintain a patient tone when people here seem to presume I am an ignoramus in their comments and questions. Good bye.
I didn't know,that is why I asked. Some ppl think healthy diets include lots of grains,lots of fruit and lots of vegetables. that is not a useful diet for those having had Wls and trying to lose. are you either one able to do protein shakes? You may know carbs are absorbed at 100%,so they are definately impeding your loss. I would think you would do better eating what ever meat you can,greasy or not and trying your best to stay away from carbs.
Hopefully of you get your possible gallbladder issue settled you will be able to tolerate more dense protein. Is your wife having possible gallbladder issues as well?
on 7/21/15 6:04 pm
We are both getting over 64 ounces of water per day as a rule (sometimes I neglect to do so but not usually). I cannot eat any dry meats (only greasy ones such as bacon or sausage) though my wife can eat some. I eat as much protein as I can from the very limited foods I can eat. My doctor suspects I may have gallstones (fairly common, I'm told, in the aftermath of this surgery). I am scheduled to get an ultrasound. When I speak of a healthy diet I refer to what most people do -- eating lots of vegetables and lean meats, for example (I can eat neither). What did you suppose I might have meant other than eating the foods most people consider beneficial to health?
In my case (as well as my wife's) the gastric sleeve has, in the long run, been counterproductive to the purpose for which I had the surgery. Though I (and my wife) lost weight during the first few months after the procedure, the weight loss has stopped altogether and now further weight loss is harder rather than easier. I realize that exercise and diet are needed to lose weight and that further efforts in this will facilitate weight loss for my wife and me, but the gastric sleeve has made these basics of weight loss more difficult to do. I cannot eat most healthy foods without getting nauseated. Almost the only foods I can eat without feeling sick are high in carbohydrates or fat. I have other medical problems (several) which make exercise quite difficult. This is why I thought the sleeve would help to facilitate weight loss and boost overall health. In the long run, it has only made my goals more difficult to achieve and caused unpleasant side-effects such as muscle cramps and nausea. I have been faithful to follow-up visits with all of the specialists but as friendly as these people are they have been of no substantial help.
I would say my overall health and quality of life are lower as a result of the sleeve and my prospects for improvement are less rather than more likely due to the increased difficulty of losing weight. Knowing what I do now I would not have had the procedure and I would not have recommended it to my wife for whom it has also proved counterproductive. A good friend of mine's sister had the sleeve and she too deeply regrets it since it has made her weight loss more difficult in the long run and resulted in many, unpleasant side effects. The surgery is irreversible so my only option now is to try to lose weight and recover health in spite of the procedure which has made my goals much more difficult to achieve.
are you both getting 64+ ounces of liquid a day? Dehydration causes wicked nausea. Are you able to eat protein,which is what you need to eat to lose weight.
what do you mean by a "healthy "diet?
on 6/18/15 5:44 pm
As a postscript I would say I have not given up. I am just saying that I have to face the reality that the surgery I foolishly chose to have has made my health and weight-loss goals more difficult to achieve. As I said in my original post, I have determined that I will lose weight in spite of this ill-advised procedure that has been counterproductive. Though the increased difficulties imposed by the procedure make weight loss harder I am still determined to act in as disciplined a manner as I can, and do the very best I can in spite of my folly in getting a procedure that was counterproductive to my health and weight loss goals.
on 6/18/15 4:57 pm
I have spoken to the dietitian and surgeon (actually his nurse practitioner) at great length many times. Your comment merely restates what I have asserted. Eating carbs and fats impedes weight loss! I agree most heartily that I cannot lose weight on this program but this is the only diet I can follow as a result of the surgery which makes me quite nauseated when I try to eat other kinds of foods. I would very much like to eat a healthier, lower calorie diet but the gastric sleeve has made that nearly impossible. I am doing the best I can in spite of the surgery, but as you note, the dietary limitations imposed upon me by the surgery have made this weight loss much more difficult and neither the surgeon nor the nutritionist can offer me any substantial help in spite of our hours of consultation. They no doubt meant well but the procedure they performed has made my health goals much more difficult to achieve. No one warned me of this possibility but now in the aftermath I am hearing of others like me who never seemed to be free to tell their stories as publicly and prominently as those with the success stories (of whom I know none personally though I do not doubt there are some). I made my foolish decision to have the gastric sleeve because I was not exposed to the full range of testimonials from those who had the procedure which, for me, makes it nearly impossible to eat the kind of diet I should, and which therefore makes weight loss much more unlikely. Other than impeding weight loss, the only long-term effects of the surgery for me have been terrible problems with GERD, muscle cramps, and nausea.
