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(deactivated member)
on 4/11/07 2:43 pm - 5K from Everywhere, MN
Topic: RE: wasted time
This is precisely WHY most programs REQUIRE candidates to jump through so many hoops.  The procedure is only a tool, it's only the beginning of a life-long commitment to change. I too, knew people prior to my surgery who had RNY and either stalled out or gained some weight back.  But it was entirely due to their inability to stay commited to a lifelong eating plan. The stats for weight gain after the surgery will bear this out - the largest percentage of long-term re-gain occurs from non-compliance.  A smaller percentage is from actual mechanical failure.  Weight loss is STILL a matter of calories in-calories out - that doesn't change.  The only thing that changes is the stomch gets smaller.  But people learn soon enough that they can still overeat - they just graze over the day instead of taking it all in at one sitting as in the past. Everyone who gets this surgery is told this information.  They sign a waiver acknowledging they're aware that this surgery isn't a guarantee of 100% weight loss and lifetime maintenance. If your wife "truly" didn't know this - she either ignored the information, or her program was negligent in not emphasizing it.
(deactivated member)
on 4/11/07 2:32 pm - 5K from Everywhere, MN
Topic: RE: 5 yrs post op RNY.. WEIGHT GAIN.. wanting DS now
From an insurance standpoint - you're going to have an uphill climb getting an approval with a BMI of 35.    38 is the minimum for most commercial products to consider for any kind of WLS - and you have the extra burden of proving co-morbids, no exceptions.  BMI of 40 and above tend to have a better track record of convincing them to cover it. Revisions in general, regardless of procedure, are harder to get approved, and the DS in particular has its issues with approval, according to those who have posted. Lapband isn't for everyone, it's not clear if it would be medically indicated as something that would help you in your particular cir****tances - but given your BMI - it "sounds" like it would be the more feasible surgical option. - someone who works in health insurance
saint_judas
on 4/11/07 10:20 am
Topic: wasted time
my wife went under the knife some years ago for this surgery.  it was a rollercoaster of a ride with the approvals, denials, switching surgery dates, etc etc.  i stayed pretty much out of it all because it was her decision but i did tell her i supported that decision. she did great for the first year and the most of the second. then the weight started creeping back.  more and more of it.  her fault.  she did not exercise like the doc said to nor did she watch her diet.  she ate, and still eats, junk. now she is almost back to where it all started. being the spouse and watching all this happen just makes me think of the wasted time and energy that went into all this. i wish there were stats for weight gain after the surgery.  i'm willing to bet it's alot higher that what people expect.
paintnmynails
on 4/10/07 12:34 pm - Santa Rosa, CA
Topic: RE: Yeah, I have a BIG WLS REGRET for you!
Maybe you should post something like this on the main boards and not the regret section. Seems a little insensitive to post it here. Very happy you have done so well but many of us need a place to vent and share when the surgery has failed us.
Lauryn
on 4/10/07 3:32 am - Abington, MA
Topic: RE: Here we go...another question from the newbie
Hi, I agree with the other responders - make a lot of noise - get your surgeon involved.  Mine is fabulous.  I just had my pre-op yesterday for a 4/24 date and one of the people I met with deals with the anesthesia stuff.  Since I'm on dilantin, they don't usually give me that stuff that keeps you from heaving, but I made a point of telling her that I want it in my IV, so  she made note of it but told me to make sure I repeated myself to the actual anesthesiologist on the day of surgery - when they see certain drugs on your chart, they often assume why you are taking them and don't give that shot, so keep on standing up for yourself and you should be fine.   Good luck, Laurie
Jennifer S.
on 4/6/07 1:19 pm - St. Louis, MO
Topic: RE: LACK of Pre-op Education

I am pre-op and I have been inundated with pre-op education about what to eat, what to watch for re: post surgical complications, what to do with excess skin, but all that my surgeon or insurance company has required of me emotionally is a psych eval.  My insurance company requires a 6 month supervised diet/exercise program supposedly to "increase my chances of sticking to the post-op diet." I believe it is for other reasons, but that is another story.  The reason why most of us are obese is not for physiological reasons (at least not usually exclusively), but for other reasons such as eating disorders, depression, self-image issues and a variety of emotional and mental issues.  We are not told to look inside or work our hearts and minds in this process and as a result those core issues are still there, but just more exposed, like an open wound after wls. Yes, it is our responsibility, but it is also the responsibility of our medical providers to guide us in areas where we have come for help.  As someone who has worked on her weight and other issues with a therapist on and off for years I am fortunate to have someone to work with me through these issues.  I would not begin counseling with him at this point because he doesn't have experience with these issues, but he has colleagues who will work with him behind the scenes and I am comfortable with him.  I went to several therapists before finding one I liked.  Most of them felt distant and soem seemed to talk down on me.  Whenever recommending a therapist to anyone for any reason I have always given the following advice:  1.  Interview them - ask them if they have had experience with your particular issue (in our case, obesity and post-wls issues).  If no, then tell them you would be more comfortable working with someone who has experience in that area and ask for a referral.   If yes, ask them how much experience they have and specifically what kind of issues have they seen after WLS. 2.  Prepare for Your Consultation.  Go to a 1st consulation and write out a one page story of everything in your life that has brought you to WLS or whatever issue you are seeking help with.  The first appointment is usually the most difficult.  In getting a new therapist up to speed you usually go through all of the bad stuff in your life and you do it in an hour.  You then walk away having done nothing but putting it on the table.  Most people are so depressed after a first visit that they want to dive into a giant cheesecake while doing drugs and consuming a toxic amount of alcohol before jumping off of a bridge.  Many people never go back to therapy after 1 or 2 visits for that very reason.  It is much easier to hand over that one page then start talking about details.   3.  Assess then Move On.  After the first meeting assess whether you liked the therapist, whether you felt comfortable with him/her, whether you had respect for his/her opinions and whether you liked his or her approach.  It is often very difficult to tell what you think after the first visit since they are even miserable after meeting with the greatest therapist in the world.  If you have a feeling that you are talked down to, that he/she just doesn't get it or it doesn't feel right for any reason then find another one.  If you think you can work well with that person then promise yourself you will go to at least 4-6 sessions before reevaluating.  Therapy does nothing if you don't go. It is essential that you feel comfortable with a therapist for therapy to work.  Most therapists are book smart. Most therapists will have some patients who rave about him/her, but the bottom line is if you do not trust and respect him/her for any reason it will be a miserable and ineffective experience. Having said that, once you find a good therapist stick with it.  You get to the point where you almost look forward to going and you feel like you have accomplished something by going.  Better yet, many issues will be headed off before they can fully rear their ugly heads if you are working with a therapist BEFORE you are in crisis. It is never too late to start.  For those of you who are having problems, get help now.  There is no reason why you have to struggle through them yourselves.   Jennifer p.s. as an aside, when looking for a therapist most of us would do best with someone who is a behaviorist.  I have personal biases against analysts who walk you back through your childhood and make you relive it.  I think it is harmful except in a few cases. That is just my opinion and many will disagree with that one.

Jennifer S.
on 4/6/07 12:43 pm - St. Louis, MO
Topic: RE: MGB and problems
I don't know of ANY insurance companies which cover the MGB surgery.  It is considered "experimental" even though it is a slightly modified version of an older surgery which is no longer performed.  Sometimes (rarely, insurance companies will cover experimental procedures), but it takes a lot of work, proof and unique cir****tances.   My guess (and it is just a guess) is that your surgeon can't get any insurance companies to cover the surgery so he has his patients pay up front then try to deal with reimbursement on their own.  Trying to get reimbursement after a surgery is a long shot and if the surgery is considered "experimental" there is all but no chance of reimbursement.  This surgeon is either violating his contract with the insurance companies, or realizes that the procedure is rarely if ever covered so he doesn't bother with pre-cert. After my research (and I did a great deal since I wanted MGB surgery so much that I almost self-paid), I decided to stick with the "gold standard" RNY.  Keep researching and if you still think MGB is best for you then perhaps it is worth self-payinf for it. 
Jennifer S.
on 4/6/07 12:32 pm - St. Louis, MO
Topic: RE: Best Quote Regarding WLS
Jen, I agree with a 1 year therapy thing.  I think we should all have some sort of therapist to rely upon throughout the surgery and well after.  I am preop and learning the best I can all of the issues I might experience while I have to wait.  I have major recurrent depression and severe generalized anxiety disorder.  Luckily I have a therapist who I have been seeing for years and I will continue to see him after surgery, probably on and off throughout my life.  My therapist and I believe that much of my depression and anxiety is related to my weight and some is genetic and physiological.  I hope that this surgery will help me to manage my anxiety and depression, but I don't expect it to go away. Something that I recently realized is probably a common thread among some of us.  As ridiculous as this sounds I may be subconsciously comfortable with all of this padding because it keeps people away from me. While that sounded silly at first it makes sense when I look back at some icky things having to do with men.  Men can't/won't hurt me if I am unattractive.  It is amazing what the subconscious can do.  Weight loss may reveal my vulnerabilities and I will have to deal with them head on or I will fail in the long term or adopt some other problem. It is good for me to know this in advance, but actually dealing with it is another matter.  It is true though that we sometimes do things for subconscious reasons, sometimes reasons our brains think are necessary.  Change without addressing the reason and we may run into unanticipated and unwelcome surprises. Just my thoughts.
Jennifer S.
on 4/6/07 12:18 pm - St. Louis, MO
Topic: RE: Here we go...another question from the newbie
Sonia, I am also pre-op, but I have also had surgery a few times (luckily I have done well).  I have three friends who are anesthesiologists.  Don't let medical folks blow you off.  If you get sick from anesthesia that is valuable information.  Make sure they all know about it.  As you approach surgery make sure you mention it again.  The day of the surgery your anesthesiologist will talk to you before putting you under.  Make sure s/he knows about your past experiences and be polite but not firm.  If s/he seems to blow you off then ask him/her to specify what can be done to avoid it both during surgery and after.  Anesthesiology (have I spelled that 3 different ways now?) is not just putting a needle in your arm and a gas mask on your face.  It is different for everyone, there are different types and it is important for you to communicate any past problems. All too often we allow the fast pace and the GodLike attitude of medical professionals to turn the most assertive of us into a tiny mouse.  This is YOUR life and YOUR body.  Be persistent, yet cordial with this issue. Jennifer
Sherry C.
on 3/31/07 6:25 pm - Plainview, TX
Topic: RE: Here we go...another question from the newbie

Sonia,  I can not take tylenol on an empty stomach, but anesthesia does not bother me,"yet".

 I just went for a consult for a revision,(stapling in 87). I had no problem when I had the first surgery, but I agree that you need to talk to anesthesia, and if that does not work, talk to someone higher up. Someone has to listen! Is your Dr unsympathetic also? You are in my prayers.

                                   Highest/Surgery/Current/Goal              
        John   341/331/163/185            Sherry   345/338/201/165
        John 22 lbs below goal                   Sherry 47 lbs  till goal
 JOHN                                                               Sherry 122 inches lost
  
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