Regretting the DS
I'm glad you are healthy and happy. It is important for people to know all the research so they can make informed decisions. There is research that shows an increase in suicide rates for some people who've had WLS. I suspect that these may be persons like myself for whom overeating has been a stress-release/coping mechanism -- once the ability to overeat is gone and the person doesn't necessarily have other coping mechanisms in place and still suffersfrom stress, depression etc... they may find the pressure unbearable. For example, because I suffer from depression (and it is suffering), I am having a vertical sleeve so that I may continue to take the medications that help me remain sane and happy. If I didn't know of the possibility of increased suicide rates, I might've made a choice that wouldn't be as great for me and my personal situation. Also, I have received group therapy support which I will continue post-surgery. Once again, I'm sincerely glad that many people having WLS don't share this concern. I just wouldn't want people who don't share your sunny outlook to feel they have to hide in a closet of a different kind of oppression and not get the information, help and support they need.
HW/256 SW/233 CW/151 GW/140 or less
G/BMI=25 or less, normal weight
1st goal = 215#, MET 2nd goal = Onederland, MET
3rd goal = 175#, MET 4th goal = > BMI of 29.9, MET 5th goal = 155#, MET Final WL goal = 140# or less and normal BMI
G/BMI=25 or less, normal weight
1st goal = 215#, MET 2nd goal = Onederland, MET
3rd goal = 175#, MET 4th goal = > BMI of 29.9, MET 5th goal = 155#, MET Final WL goal = 140# or less and normal BMI
My college statistics professor taught us that 78.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Of course, that's also a made-up statistic, but since it has an odd fractional value (.3%), it's far more believable (something like 58.7% more believable) than if it just said 78%. Of course, THAT statistic was also made up on the spot, so "your milage may vary"...
Ironically, he really DID say that for some odd reason (pun not intended), odd numbers in statistics come across as far more believable than even ones. (Moral to us students was: "Don't round off the numbers to even values if you want people to believe them.")
Just my 2.1 cents worth!
Of course, that's also a made-up statistic, but since it has an odd fractional value (.3%), it's far more believable (something like 58.7% more believable) than if it just said 78%. Of course, THAT statistic was also made up on the spot, so "your milage may vary"...
Ironically, he really DID say that for some odd reason (pun not intended), odd numbers in statistics come across as far more believable than even ones. (Moral to us students was: "Don't round off the numbers to even values if you want people to believe them.")
Just my 2.1 cents worth!
``"I believe that no one cares to follow guidelines about who should be eligible for this surgery. The main
weak point is that people with psychological issues will not succeed but now almost anyone gets it.
What I read is that bariatric surgeons have given up on testing for sound mind for the procedure cause
the outcome of the test predicts poorly success or failure.
So no more psychological testing! free for all!
So that 58% suicide risk increase is just collateral damage in the battle against obesity. Highly unethical"
Um, clearly you don't know what most insurance companies require before approval is given for WLS procedures. Most if not all insurance companies require a psychological evaluation and clearance from a mental health professional before approval! You can't make the claim that "no one" cared about following guidlines when it comes to who is and isn't eligible for surgery! Most patients have to jump through months if not years of hoops and red tape to even be considered eligible for surgery. Surgeon's require seminar's and Nutritional courses before agreeing to consider you for eligibility. To say that someone with a mental illness will not succeed? Where are you getting your facts from? There's nothing that says someone with psychological issues can't be just as successful as someone without them. Can it be harder? Sure, but it's hard for anyone who's had issues with food and weight. The risk of suicide is higher among those who are severely obese and unhappy than those who have chosen to change their lives and their health! Look around this site at all the people who have had surgery and are leading happier lives despite some complications along the way and then tell me that these people are at a higer risk of suicide!
weak point is that people with psychological issues will not succeed but now almost anyone gets it.
What I read is that bariatric surgeons have given up on testing for sound mind for the procedure cause
the outcome of the test predicts poorly success or failure.
So no more psychological testing! free for all!
So that 58% suicide risk increase is just collateral damage in the battle against obesity. Highly unethical"
Um, clearly you don't know what most insurance companies require before approval is given for WLS procedures. Most if not all insurance companies require a psychological evaluation and clearance from a mental health professional before approval! You can't make the claim that "no one" cared about following guidlines when it comes to who is and isn't eligible for surgery! Most patients have to jump through months if not years of hoops and red tape to even be considered eligible for surgery. Surgeon's require seminar's and Nutritional courses before agreeing to consider you for eligibility. To say that someone with a mental illness will not succeed? Where are you getting your facts from? There's nothing that says someone with psychological issues can't be just as successful as someone without them. Can it be harder? Sure, but it's hard for anyone who's had issues with food and weight. The risk of suicide is higher among those who are severely obese and unhappy than those who have chosen to change their lives and their health! Look around this site at all the people who have had surgery and are leading happier lives despite some complications along the way and then tell me that these people are at a higer risk of suicide!
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On May 11, 2009 at 7:30 AM Pacific Time, Luchosays wrote:
There are many healthy obese people (not the super obese) that go for the surgery cause the obesity risks are highly exagerated by the surgeons that are lining their pockets with the GB Gold Rush
A clear indication of how misleading this propaganda for GB is, is that medical costs are about the same
before you paid for hypertension and diabetes drugs, now after GB you pay for gastrointestinal meds,
injectable vitamins and minerals. Malabsorption is no joke you can die and see your life crumble from it
as much as from cancer or diabetes.
Amy Farrah Fowler
on 8/10/09 9:35 am
on 8/10/09 9:35 am
Are you serious??? My pcp considered me "healthy" despite being obese. I had sleep apnea, pcos, insulin resistance, high cholesterol, fluctuating blood pressure and degenerating joints.
All of those issues are resolved for me, and I traded a buttload of expensive medications, which I take NONE of now, for multi vitamins and calcium. And my blood work is the envy of my 30ish skinny doctor!!! Get real.
All of those issues are resolved for me, and I traded a buttload of expensive medications, which I take NONE of now, for multi vitamins and calcium. And my blood work is the envy of my 30ish skinny doctor!!! Get real.
Fo' Shizzle My Sizzle
on 6/5/11 1:15 pm
on 6/5/11 1:15 pm
On August 10, 2009 at 4:35 PM Pacific Time, Bearmom wrote:
Are you serious??? My pcp considered me "healthy" despite being obese. I had sleep apnea, pcos, insulin resistance, high cholesterol, fluctuating blood pressure and degenerating joints.All of those issues are resolved for me, and I traded a buttload of expensive medications, which I take NONE of now, for multi vitamins and calcium. And my blood work is the envy of my 30ish skinny doctor!!! Get real.
I had a similar situation. I was considered healthy, but only because I wasn't dead yet I suppose...
I want to know VERY badly too... I thoght about posting this to the DS board... The surgeon makes the side effect sound realllly horrendous and I need to know how people feel about living like that? Can you eat to avoid the "gas" that's mentioned? It sounds like something that would keep me single forever and where's the fun in that? LOL
Getting the DS surgery was the biggest mistake in my life. I had it done on March 4th of this year and was 315. I lose over a 140 pounds since then and have been miserabel. I am living on protein bars and boosts drinks with the occassional cheese and herring (not together). My muscle mass is really low. I vomit almost everything else I eat and they don't seem to know why, perhaps it is mental. I had complications after the surgery and was in the hospital for over 2 weeks and even went to the psch ward due to suicidal thoughts. I am dreading Thanksgiving because I can't eat it, I had chicken last week and vomited for hours. Yes, I lost a lot of weight and my diabetes is eitehr gone or under much better control but at what cost. I am going to ask if I can get a partial revision (lenghting the intestine) to help with the excessive weight loss. I feel like crap all the time. If I had to do it all over again I would have worked harder to lose the weight on my own. I really miss regular food and am so damn sick of protein bars and drinks.