Alcohol??
My mother had her surgery in 1997, her drinking has progressivly become worse every year since then, she cant keep food or anything nutrtious down but wodka stays down just fine. Please understand there is help out there and there is no shame is asking for help, whether in patient or out patient, ask evcery person and professional you can think of, talk to your surgeon, talk to your Primary care Physician, talk to a thereapist, talk to a rehad center, talk to an interventist,
i cant help my mother because she refuses to admit she has a problem and thinks if nobody knows its not a problem, but i live with her and its a big problem. i deal with it by helping others who ask for help.
If there anything i can do please let me know, even if its just to listen or find information for you
you felt you ere worth the time and effort to have the surgery your worth the time and effort to beat this too.
i cant help my mother because she refuses to admit she has a problem and thinks if nobody knows its not a problem, but i live with her and its a big problem. i deal with it by helping others who ask for help.
If there anything i can do please let me know, even if its just to listen or find information for you
you felt you ere worth the time and effort to have the surgery your worth the time and effort to beat this too.
I think I may have the beginnings of alcoholism that I should maybe be worried about? I have a severe anxiety disorder, and since the gastric (4 months post op) these panic episodes have increased. Especially since having endometriosis, I have been told ibuprofin is a no-go, and midol and tylenol doesnt work worth a crap. I have valium for my anxiety, but it also tends to help relax those muscles once a month when I'm in extreme pain, crawled up in a ball, crying my eyes out, and wanting to just die. I have been taking a valilum and having a glass of pomegranite martini, to get the effect of pain free relaxation, with minimal calories, during this time of month. And it helps tremendously. Its one week out of a month that I do this, but I am still worried, and can see how incredibly addictive it can become. Especially with the many other stresses I'm dealing with....
Any thoughts or suggestions? I dont want to damage my liver or become dependent, but nothing else works!!! :(
Any thoughts or suggestions? I dont want to damage my liver or become dependent, but nothing else works!!! :(
pteague
on 7/14/09 5:18 am
on 7/14/09 5:18 am
Listen to me and read my post form today. LISTEN UP PEOPLE you need to know this!
I have never drank or taken drugs in my life. I am 8 years post op. I had RNY. What was your surgery?
The panic and anxiety is from the nervous system breaking down from malnutrition. Get yourself some B12 shots once or twice a week. Get two types of B multi per day (just pay attention to the B6 to make sure you are in safe ranges)
For the pain, I was in so much pain and was told I was just a pill head drug addict that wanted drugs. I have never had anxiety in my life, but the Ambulances to my house every few days for months thinking I was dying of a heart attack sent me to drinkign to calm my nerves, but that is a dead end and danger of getting addicted, so stop that now.
Go to a psychiatrist and you tell them if they aren't aware, that this is common form malnutrition, and you need to get something for anxiety. They will give you something like Ativan which will help, but if it isn't enough, let them give you xanax. Just make sure that you never take more than a whole one per day (that is plenty to stop the anxiety and panic attacks and you won't get addicted) but you CAN'T drink alcohol. Just stop it now. YOu will get fat and bring on even more mal nutrition and dehydration, headaches you will be miserable and embarrassed, and you don't want to ge tthe label addict unless you are really one, which shouldn't e a stigma or embarrassing, and there is help for them, but we are different now and there is a new kind of addition tha tis caused by issues related to our surgeries. And the medical profession widely wants to keep their gravy train going, so they won't tell you it is mal nutrition, but that you have changed from being addicted to food to other things as your coping mechanism.
If you had depression before it will be much worse after if you don't get it treated. YOur thyroid will get out of whack and a lot of the troubles youa re having will get misdiagnosed like mine did for 5 years of a living hell. I did my own research and only accidentaly stumbled onto the connection to my troubles related to the surgery. The minute I started taking xanax, and getting therapy to help me unlearn lots of bad habits form reacting to my bad nutrition, no more fever blisters all over my face, no more panic attacks, and for the pain, yes we aren't supposed to take Advil. I can't help it. I do. I had to choose the lesser of evils.
The Advil helps the cramps, but what stopped the severe pain that hooked me on the pain meds was Vitamin D! Yes, I found the formal published study that was sent out to clinicians to ask people with chronic pain if they have had WLS! After megadosing hte D (you need help of a dietician or nutritionist because we can't get our vitamins form food anymore "exact quote of my doc after I revisited him once I put it all together, and he knows there is trouble on the horizon, trust me", $2600 in blood tests for every vitamin, and I didn't even need the numbers. Once I started pushing the D and all of the Bs, Thiamin (lack of thiamin contributes to alcoholism) you will see much improvement in your life.
If your life is stressful. There is no way to say this. You have to make some hard choices. Get rid and simplify anything that is adding to stress.
You will damage your liver and your kidneys and everything else, but did you know if you don't get vitamin B12 for as little as 10 years, you will be permanently brain damaged and clinically, irreversibly insane institutionalized insane? Yes nutrition is more important that being over weight.
Alcohol will make mal nutrition worse, so just stop it now. You don't want tha tmonkey. Get the Thiamine. Don't wait for the tests. I have interviewed 85 patients, and the ones with good lives after vs what you are going through, whichi s the same story I have heard over and over and over, and at the place you are now, you can still turn it around, but if you don't start protecting your body and seeing it as more than the outside that you wanted thin, it will not keep you around long.
The study is complete and the fact is indesputable. We die more from suicide after WLS than other people in the average world. We die from non-suicide drug related deaths. We die for unexplained reasons more often in accidental death, but they don't know why or what kind. The study assumed it was because you are more active after losing weight so you are exposing yourself to a more social and active lifestyle hence more opportunities for death.
My opinion part? I think the drug deaths by accident are because we dont' know how much or little we can take because we absorb differently each person, after the surgery. Or we get ourselves addicted to things like I did, pain killers for real pain, but discovered it helped the anxiety, so I took more and more. I was up to 45 a day and my liver was fine. They didn't understand. I do now. First I don't think I was absorbing it. But another person taking that much, or me on any day, it could have been enough to kill me by accident, and believe me, I have talked to enough of them, non-suicide death related to acidental drug overdose.
If you are drinking and driving, more accidents. Drugs, I an tell you, I stayed off the road because I could tell I didn't have my full judgment.
This sounds all negative, and it can be if you just let it decide your fate. It is meant to help you, and empower you to tell you that y ou need to find your own biology, but I don't care how many blood tests tell you that your levels are normal. They have no studies and never will that will be accurate about that because we are all different inside now. So you have to take the bull by the horns and do what you have to.
But if you fail to make a lot of nutritional suppliments, and do variations because everyone gets it differently, but your mental state will decline and decline if you don't get it handled now. And go to a gynecologist. They can remove the endometriosis pits lap. style and it will help with the cramps. But for me, Advil is all tha tever worked and I try to take as little as possible, but it is the only thing that helps my horrible cramps too. If you find something other than Tylenol (doesn't help cramps, even if it is laced with narcotics!) let me know. Like you none of hte others helped.
But start it TODAY. Don't wait. Nutrition boosting will help at least 50% of your misery, adn stop so much worse from coming down the pike. I was trapped in my house unable to leave for years it got so bad for me. Nutrition completely changed my life within a month, and the more changes, the more I did. I have all of this new hair for some reason. Never get the blisters all over my face from the anxiety I thought but it was one of those obscure B vitamins after several years of having them all over almost non stop.
Hope this helps you. Just know if you don't get the right mediation for the anxiety, the booze will take you no place good. And same on pain meds. If you get Xanax, just be careful not to ever drink with it, and don't misuse it. like this surgery, it can be an effective tool if used properly.
I do have issues with the industry for not fully informing about the overall nutritional issues. And if you had depression or addictions or anxiety issues before, you will not do well after this surgery if you don't make it a full time job to get your nutrition!
Best to you. YOu can do this. Talking is a good start!
I have never drank or taken drugs in my life. I am 8 years post op. I had RNY. What was your surgery?
The panic and anxiety is from the nervous system breaking down from malnutrition. Get yourself some B12 shots once or twice a week. Get two types of B multi per day (just pay attention to the B6 to make sure you are in safe ranges)
For the pain, I was in so much pain and was told I was just a pill head drug addict that wanted drugs. I have never had anxiety in my life, but the Ambulances to my house every few days for months thinking I was dying of a heart attack sent me to drinkign to calm my nerves, but that is a dead end and danger of getting addicted, so stop that now.
Go to a psychiatrist and you tell them if they aren't aware, that this is common form malnutrition, and you need to get something for anxiety. They will give you something like Ativan which will help, but if it isn't enough, let them give you xanax. Just make sure that you never take more than a whole one per day (that is plenty to stop the anxiety and panic attacks and you won't get addicted) but you CAN'T drink alcohol. Just stop it now. YOu will get fat and bring on even more mal nutrition and dehydration, headaches you will be miserable and embarrassed, and you don't want to ge tthe label addict unless you are really one, which shouldn't e a stigma or embarrassing, and there is help for them, but we are different now and there is a new kind of addition tha tis caused by issues related to our surgeries. And the medical profession widely wants to keep their gravy train going, so they won't tell you it is mal nutrition, but that you have changed from being addicted to food to other things as your coping mechanism.
If you had depression before it will be much worse after if you don't get it treated. YOur thyroid will get out of whack and a lot of the troubles youa re having will get misdiagnosed like mine did for 5 years of a living hell. I did my own research and only accidentaly stumbled onto the connection to my troubles related to the surgery. The minute I started taking xanax, and getting therapy to help me unlearn lots of bad habits form reacting to my bad nutrition, no more fever blisters all over my face, no more panic attacks, and for the pain, yes we aren't supposed to take Advil. I can't help it. I do. I had to choose the lesser of evils.
The Advil helps the cramps, but what stopped the severe pain that hooked me on the pain meds was Vitamin D! Yes, I found the formal published study that was sent out to clinicians to ask people with chronic pain if they have had WLS! After megadosing hte D (you need help of a dietician or nutritionist because we can't get our vitamins form food anymore "exact quote of my doc after I revisited him once I put it all together, and he knows there is trouble on the horizon, trust me", $2600 in blood tests for every vitamin, and I didn't even need the numbers. Once I started pushing the D and all of the Bs, Thiamin (lack of thiamin contributes to alcoholism) you will see much improvement in your life.
If your life is stressful. There is no way to say this. You have to make some hard choices. Get rid and simplify anything that is adding to stress.
You will damage your liver and your kidneys and everything else, but did you know if you don't get vitamin B12 for as little as 10 years, you will be permanently brain damaged and clinically, irreversibly insane institutionalized insane? Yes nutrition is more important that being over weight.
Alcohol will make mal nutrition worse, so just stop it now. You don't want tha tmonkey. Get the Thiamine. Don't wait for the tests. I have interviewed 85 patients, and the ones with good lives after vs what you are going through, whichi s the same story I have heard over and over and over, and at the place you are now, you can still turn it around, but if you don't start protecting your body and seeing it as more than the outside that you wanted thin, it will not keep you around long.
The study is complete and the fact is indesputable. We die more from suicide after WLS than other people in the average world. We die from non-suicide drug related deaths. We die for unexplained reasons more often in accidental death, but they don't know why or what kind. The study assumed it was because you are more active after losing weight so you are exposing yourself to a more social and active lifestyle hence more opportunities for death.
My opinion part? I think the drug deaths by accident are because we dont' know how much or little we can take because we absorb differently each person, after the surgery. Or we get ourselves addicted to things like I did, pain killers for real pain, but discovered it helped the anxiety, so I took more and more. I was up to 45 a day and my liver was fine. They didn't understand. I do now. First I don't think I was absorbing it. But another person taking that much, or me on any day, it could have been enough to kill me by accident, and believe me, I have talked to enough of them, non-suicide death related to acidental drug overdose.
If you are drinking and driving, more accidents. Drugs, I an tell you, I stayed off the road because I could tell I didn't have my full judgment.
This sounds all negative, and it can be if you just let it decide your fate. It is meant to help you, and empower you to tell you that y ou need to find your own biology, but I don't care how many blood tests tell you that your levels are normal. They have no studies and never will that will be accurate about that because we are all different inside now. So you have to take the bull by the horns and do what you have to.
But if you fail to make a lot of nutritional suppliments, and do variations because everyone gets it differently, but your mental state will decline and decline if you don't get it handled now. And go to a gynecologist. They can remove the endometriosis pits lap. style and it will help with the cramps. But for me, Advil is all tha tever worked and I try to take as little as possible, but it is the only thing that helps my horrible cramps too. If you find something other than Tylenol (doesn't help cramps, even if it is laced with narcotics!) let me know. Like you none of hte others helped.
But start it TODAY. Don't wait. Nutrition boosting will help at least 50% of your misery, adn stop so much worse from coming down the pike. I was trapped in my house unable to leave for years it got so bad for me. Nutrition completely changed my life within a month, and the more changes, the more I did. I have all of this new hair for some reason. Never get the blisters all over my face from the anxiety I thought but it was one of those obscure B vitamins after several years of having them all over almost non stop.
Hope this helps you. Just know if you don't get the right mediation for the anxiety, the booze will take you no place good. And same on pain meds. If you get Xanax, just be careful not to ever drink with it, and don't misuse it. like this surgery, it can be an effective tool if used properly.
I do have issues with the industry for not fully informing about the overall nutritional issues. And if you had depression or addictions or anxiety issues before, you will not do well after this surgery if you don't make it a full time job to get your nutrition!
Best to you. YOu can do this. Talking is a good start!
Yes !!!!! I know how you feel I'm going through the same thing as a result have gained back 38 lbs. It's been about 41/2 years as well. I never reached my goal weight because 7 months out I found out I was pregnant.... so that meant I was gonna gain weight I was so mad. I did loose the weight after having my son who is now 4 years old.
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