OH, people do come here for help right?

NotOldMomma
on 5/25/17 6:39 pm

Yes, you are right but I still can't sit by and watch and if I restrain myself (which I did) from going directly to the source and calling her (them) out, then i'm definitely no better. What if that person is extremely emotional or depressed or got something going on? That's why i didn't choose to call them out, but it still doesn't give any one the right to get in someone else's face on their post and be that type of mean. There's no excuse for that, I don't care. I stand up to bullies. Can you please name the person I am bullying?

A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES STARTS WITH A SINGLE STEP. ......

Gwen M.
on 5/25/17 6:45 pm
VSG on 03/13/14
On May 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM Pacific Time, NotOldMomma wrote:

Yes, you are right but I still can't sit by and watch and if I restrain myself (which I did) from going directly to the source and calling her (them) out, then i'm definitely no better. What if that person is extremely emotional or depressed or got something going on? That's why i didn't choose to call them out, but it still doesn't give any one the right to get in someone else's face on their post and be that type of mean. There's no excuse for that, I don't care. I stand up to bullies. Can you please name the person I am bullying?

So instead of addressing the person directly, in a kind and non-bullying manner, you opted to make an extremely passive aggressive post full of attacking language that anyone could think applied to them instead of the person you wanted to directly inform.

How does this make sense?

You're not standing up to anyone. You're just doing your best to create generalized drama and order people to behave the way you want them to.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

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NotOldMomma
on 5/25/17 8:32 pm

The only people that may think that it applies to them are the ones who may possibly need to reexamine what they post if they are feeling guilty about something. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. if one has a clear conscious they shouldn't need to feel some kind of way. There have been a few people on here that have replied in kind, not butt hurt at all because they knew the post wasn't about them and a few people have spoke up and agreed because most people don't approve of the way storm was spoke to while other people just don't have it in them to speak up for her/him.

Please let me know if you seriously think it's ok to out and out degrade someone and call them names to their face?

Lol and first you kept saying i was trying to bully people? ok I still don't know how cause you didn't answer that.

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict.

I'm not using force, I'm on the internet, I'm not abusing, intimidating or dominating anyone. i spoke a generalized topic. And I certainly don't have power be it social or physical over anyone on here.

Now You're saying, Oh I'm just creating drama and I'm ordering people to behave the way I want them to. Wtf am I ordering anybody to do anything? And that's your opinion that I'm trying to create drama, which I'm not, but if I am you're doing a pretty good job of feeding into it. CAuse if I was really trying to create drama, I wouldn't have blocked a couple people, I would have cussed them out and I wouldn't be even halfway nice with some of my responses to some of these comments.

A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES STARTS WITH A SINGLE STEP. ......

Gwen M.
on 5/26/17 4:56 am
VSG on 03/13/14
On May 26, 2017 at 3:32 AM Pacific Time, NotOldMomma wrote:

The only people that may think that it applies to them are the ones who may possibly need to reexamine what they post if they are feeling guilty about something. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. if one has a clear conscious they shouldn't need to feel some kind of way. There have been a few people on here that have replied in kind, not butt hurt at all because they knew the post wasn't about them and a few people have spoke up and agreed because most people don't approve of the way storm was spoke to while other people just don't have it in them to speak up for her/him.

Please let me know if you seriously think it's ok to out and out degrade someone and call them names to their face?

Lol and first you kept saying i was trying to bully people? ok I still don't know how cause you didn't answer that.

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict.

I'm not using force, I'm on the internet, I'm not abusing, intimidating or dominating anyone. i spoke a generalized topic. And I certainly don't have power be it social or physical over anyone on here.

Now You're saying, Oh I'm just creating drama and I'm ordering people to behave the way I want them to. Wtf am I ordering anybody to do anything? And that's your opinion that I'm trying to create drama, which I'm not, but if I am you're doing a pretty good job of feeding into it. CAuse if I was really trying to create drama, I wouldn't have blocked a couple people, I would have cussed them out and I wouldn't be even halfway nice with some of my responses to some of these comments.

You are attempting to use coercion to dominate people into acting the way you want them to. According to the definition you posted, that counts as bullying.

And then, in this very comment, you're using threats that boil down to, "well I could have acted a lot worse!!!"

Before you attempt to tell others how to behave, you should always take a long hard look at the way you're behaving.

And, please, spare us the "I'm being generalized!!" BS when you've made it clear you are referencing a single person in the false hope they'll just happen to stumble on this post and realize it apples to them.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

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H.A.L.A B.
on 5/25/17 7:44 pm
On May 26, 2017 at 12:59 AM Pacific Time, NotOldMomma wrote:

Thanks for your insight Gwen. I wish I could have found a more eloquent way of putting to words what I was feeling but I absolutely won't be one of those people who stand by and watch someone actually call someone names and be excessively rude and nasty.

Please explain to me, how you think I am bullying someone into behaving? Did i call a person out in particular and say something mean and nasty to them or what?

wait what? didn't you just called others nasty names? in your original post?

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NotOldMomma
on 5/25/17 9:53 pm

WHO WHO WHO WHO WHO WHO WHO again who did I call a name?

A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES STARTS WITH A SINGLE STEP. ......

Mary Gee
on 5/25/17 5:47 pm, edited 5/25/17 10:53 am - AZ
VSG on 05/14/14

Do As I Say, Not As I Do?

lol. Stick around and do some more reading... you may learn a few things about OH.

Like people will post about eating tacos a week after surgery, and when someone responds saying that's not a good idea, you should be following the program or you won't be successful, and the OP will say they didn't come here to be attacked and people are rude and mean. What did OP expect to hear...."Oh that's ok, no one's perfect"?

Or a newbie will post "I'm three weeks out and I've stalled ... what's wrong?" How about spending some time reading or maybe doing a "search" of three week stall. That question has been asked and answered thousands of times. And yes, newbies will ask questions that have been answered ad nauseum, but they'll ask not just one question like that but several.... LDo a bit of research folks.

I love these: I have XYZ Insurance...is WLS covered? (Look at the back of your insurance card and call the Customer Service Number and ask if YOUR policy covers WLS.) Or: I had WLS five years ago and I have a pain in my chest...Is it related to my surgery?" (We are not doctors ... please call YOUR DOCTOR and ask him/her .... they may want to ask you questions and do an exam and some testing.) Or: How much weight should I be losing every week? (It varies... there's no set number.)

Or the people who only post to brag....and never offer support to other people.

Or the so called "forum nannies" who tell others you should not post this or that.........

OH is actually full of caring, supportive people who want to help others. Some of these people tell it like it is... i.e. if you don't follow your program, you will not reach your goal and maintain your weight loss.

OH is also full of people who want to hear what they want to hear, and if anyone says something they don't like, that person is mean and rude. And they delete their posts, and sometimes deactivate because they have been "attacked". lol

But that's the internet for you, isn't it? lol Check out some Facebook pages, and you'll really see some bad-a$$ action.

I stay here because people have stood by me, supported me, encouraged me, set me straight, advised me, and believed in me. I try to return the favor to them and others.

       

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Citizen Kim
on 5/25/17 5:50 pm - Castle Rock, CO

Awesome post, Mary x

Proud Feminist, Atheist, LGBT friend, and Democratic Socialist

NotOldMomma
on 5/25/17 6:06 pm

Awesome post! Lol maybe I should have asked your opinion on how to phrase my concern better. And like I said, sometimes people do need to be told, I agree but they don't need to be name called to do so. Yes lol I name called in my post but not directly to the person, ha if you only saw the thing I saw ha but i'm not revealing them and/or bullying them but i can't sit by and watch someone out and out name call someone else who you know, if they're on here probably are just as depressed as alot of us are. Online bullying and suicide is a real problem. I wouldn't forgive myself if I said nothing and then that person commits suicide? Nope, I can't do it.

A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES STARTS WITH A SINGLE STEP. ......

Gwen M.
on 5/25/17 6:34 pm
VSG on 03/13/14

If you are honestly concerned about online bullying and suicide rates, you would have addressed the person directly - as that's the only way to ensure they see/understand that the message is for them.

If you're concerned that someone is a suicide risk, please use the "report" button on their post to let the OH team know.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

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