Does a high protein diet make you age faster ?

Grim_Traveller
on 10/29/15 6:15 am
RNY on 08/21/12

The list of toxic chemicals found in fruits and vegetable is even longer than that found in meat. More people died last year from e coli they got from leafy greens than from meat.

What was killing us before surgery had nothing to do with meat, fruit, or vegetables though. It was eating crappy non-food, almost all of which was carbs that provided no nutrition beyond empty calories.

6'3" tall, male.

Highest weight was 475. RNY on 08/21/12. Current weight: 198.

M1 -24; M2 -21; M3 -19; M4 -21; M5 -13; M6 -21; M7 -10; M8 -16; M9 -10; M10 -8; M11 -6; M12 -5.

(deactivated member)
on 10/29/15 6:42 am

Listeria has been found in a lot of salads.

crystal M.
on 10/29/15 10:01 am - Joliet, IL

I can't answer your questions I can only tell you my experience and my opinions.

I believe it's all about life style choices. I eat healthy (make my own foods homemade), drink lots of water, exercise and stay active. If you stick to a healthy life style chance are you will live a happy healthy life.

I also don't believe that vitamins will make up for unhealthy habits. Just my opinion. Vitamins will add to an already existing healthy life style (if that makes sense). They fill in where you might be lacking. They do not make up for bad life style choices.

Another thing I want to comment on is something my mom always said. She would say "everything in moderation". You say this guy "lived on meat". That's not healthy. I think most of us have been told to eat protein first, then veggies, then if we have room a healthy complex carb. Does that sound like a protein only diet. It's a "high protein" diet not a "protein only" diet. There is a difference. At the height of my weight loss I ate an apple a day for breakfast, a protein for lunch, a protein and veggie for dinner. I did not eat pasta, bread, sweets or pastries. I lost 190+ lbs. Now that I am in the maintaining phase of my weight loss I eat lost salads. And I eat fruit. I think you have been misinformed as to what a WLS menu consists of.

tatirod
on 10/29/15 1:07 pm, edited 10/29/15 6:08 am - Toronto, Canada

It is difficult to follow your point of view. Do you want to know if there is data supporting the harmful effects of a diet that includes animal protein or high protein (from all sources)? Do you want to know about end organ damage or cancer?

I have been a vegetarian for 22 years. Earlier this year I was 370 pounds on a vegan diet. None of my vegetarian/vegan friends are overweight. But none of them eat half a dozen vegan donuts on Saturdays either.

As for the comment about shrinking fat cells releasing toxins and causing cancer, I'm not sure what these toxins supposedly are. Could you elaborate? I have studied cancer since 1997 and this is the first I have heard of this, unless you are speaking of proinflammatory adipocytes that can be proangiogenic. But eliminating the fat cells reduces the angiogenic hormones in circulation and should therefore reduce the risk of solid tumor formation. Maybe you mean hematologic cancers?

Referral: February 2015; TWH Orientation: April 2015; Social Worker: June 10, 2015: Nurse Practitioner: June 11, 2015; Nutrition Class: June 15, 2015; Psychometry Assessment: June 16, 2015; Nutrition Assessment: July 22, 2015; NP follow-up: July 28, 2015; Surgeon Consult: August 28, 2015; Surgery: November 6, 2015; Operation: VSG

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 10/29/15 1:15 pm
RNY on 08/05/19

You're not sure about the toxins because they don't really exist, save in the minds of people who want to sell you juice cleanses, foot patches, and infrared sauna packages ;)

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

tatirod
on 10/29/15 1:54 pm - Toronto, Canada

Don't forget cupping.

Referral: February 2015; TWH Orientation: April 2015; Social Worker: June 10, 2015: Nurse Practitioner: June 11, 2015; Nutrition Class: June 15, 2015; Psychometry Assessment: June 16, 2015; Nutrition Assessment: July 22, 2015; NP follow-up: July 28, 2015; Surgeon Consult: August 28, 2015; Surgery: November 6, 2015; Operation: VSG

Grim_Traveller
on 10/29/15 2:20 pm
RNY on 08/21/12

Sooner or later, every stupid fad comes back around again.

cupping

6'3" tall, male.

Highest weight was 475. RNY on 08/21/12. Current weight: 198.

M1 -24; M2 -21; M3 -19; M4 -21; M5 -13; M6 -21; M7 -10; M8 -16; M9 -10; M10 -8; M11 -6; M12 -5.

rocky513
on 10/29/15 2:47 pm - WI

I'm not sure if the "fad" is the cupping or the pants down low enough to see butt crack...

HW 270 SW 236 GW 160 CW 145 (15 pounds below goal!)

VBG Aug. 7, 1986, Revised to RNY Nov. 18, 2010

Spencerella
on 10/29/15 3:25 pm - Calgary, Alberta, Canada
VSG on 10/15/12

I had no idea what I was looking at, other than the butt crack! So cupping is a thing? I'm gonna have to read up on that ...

 

LINDA                 

Ht: 5'2" |  HW 225, BMI 41.2  |  CW 115, BMI 21.0

tatirod
on 10/29/15 8:48 pm - Toronto, Canada

Yes. Cupping is a very old thing, often used to treat illness before we understood what caused illness (ie, bacteria + viruses).

It's along the lines of blood letting. It sucks out the toxins from your body (the toxins of course which have no specific name, they just are). They also have blood letting AND cupping in one combo package for about $150 per session. I went to a registered massage therapist after an injury and she suggested the blood letting + cupping for me. First, they cut you. Then they heat a glass cup with a flame and place it over the cut. This causes suction and basically your skin (and blood if you get cut first) fills the cup.

I passed. I've learned to love my toxins.

Referral: February 2015; TWH Orientation: April 2015; Social Worker: June 10, 2015: Nurse Practitioner: June 11, 2015; Nutrition Class: June 15, 2015; Psychometry Assessment: June 16, 2015; Nutrition Assessment: July 22, 2015; NP follow-up: July 28, 2015; Surgeon Consult: August 28, 2015; Surgery: November 6, 2015; Operation: VSG

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