Green smoothies yay or nay for you?

I understand the concept of whole, healthy food options.  Vegetables and fruits are the backbone of good nutrition. I don't subscribe to the idea that protein only comes from animal flesh.  Personally I thought these smoothie recipes were high enough in protein to be of interest to this forum, which is why I shared them.  

As for thinking about my own personal journey with a WLS, it's an option and a darn good one to get me to a normal weight range that I can't get to on my own and then incorporate the healthy eating habits I am putting into place over time.  I understand that for the first three months after my surgery there are very limited choices and staunch rules to follow to heal properly and to reset the body's set point.  However, I have also read many posters state that they can eat whatever they want after several months of recuperation.  If I chose to eat healthy vegetables and fruit instead of pastries and pasta I think that is a huge leap forward for improving my health. 

I have been on these boards for 8 yrs and no one has ever said that. If you have posts, please provide the links.  You have been given misinformation.  With all of the surgeries you have a honeymoon period, 18 months with a bypass. Post op lifestyle is not how much you put in, it's what you put in. You have very limited space 3-6 oz early on, later a bit more. The body needs protein to live. Not vegetables and fruits. It's necessary to fill that small pouch or sleeve with healthy high quality protein, low carb foods. This is a protein forward lifestyle. You change up from the requirements of the surgery, you WILL gain the weight back. Cutting 3/4 of your stomach out gives you limited space to work with. 

You are setting yourself up for a big downfall. If your eating healthy habits are so great, why do you need to get the surgery? 

I don't feel that I am setting myself up for a big downfall.  I think I would be setting myself up for success. Here are a couple of links to the bariatric surgeons who propose a mostly plant based diet after WLS.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4qN8k1ix0DoCLM6VhDvz8w

http://www.pcrm.org/good-medicine/2011/autumn2011/healthy-fo ods-and-healthy-bodies-garth-davis-md

You realize that the "Pound of Cure" diet he is pushing is a non surgical diet.  

It's also funny you bring up Garths webpage. He started experimenting with pushing a vegan lifestyle back in 2011  

His father was an innovator .. You never hear much about either of them anymore.. 

Dr. Weiner's Pound of Cure diet is the one he puts his WLS patients on several months after surgery, so yes, it is used in conjunction with WLS or can be used without surgery for those who do not want an invasive procedure.   Dr. Davis' vegan lifestyle after WLS, depending on which surgery is done, is valid and works.  As a matter of fact many patients who have regained weight after their surgeries who switch to vegan diets do very well. 

To each his own. You work your tool and navigate your journey as you see fit.  But lay off my choices, they are mine to make.  I shared high protein smoothies for anyone who wants to use them on whatever part of their journey they are on.  If they don't want to use them at all, that's OK too.  I'm good with it. What I would like from you is to stop challenging everything I post.  If bariatric doctors approve of this, I will go along with it because it makes sense to me.

Go in peace.  

The problem is that these smoothies are high in CARBS. They *might* be healthy for people with naturally-thin metabolisms, but they're simply not suited for the metabolically-challenged, post-WLS patient.

It's okay with me for you to eat whatever you choose. It's up to you to make a success of this journey. Just keep in mind that it's about more than just losing weight---it's also about staying healthy while you do so.

I have watched most of Dr. Weiner's videos. And while he does advocate eating fruits and vegetables, he does not advocate cutting back on your protein. Basically what he says is after the three month mark when you can begin eating more, to add veggies and fruit and not more protein. he believes to get in that habit is healthy for your long term success. He doesn't think WLS patients can eat a pound of veggies from the beginning. He wants them eating nutrient dense food, and not fake food...

Yep, that's right.  I never advocated cutting back on protein for myself I am advocating mostly plant sourced protein for myself.  I've watched all of his videos too and think his plan is solid and it makes sense to me.   I like these two videos and keep coming back to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_aahPETzH0  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MxZYAwzPuk.

"Dorthy" had just left the Algonquin Hotel prior to posting.

Those people who say they can eat anything they want after a couple of months are usually the ones who don't lose all of their weight or start regaining right away... OR they choose NOT to eat "anything" and stick to the high protein low carb plan.

I have to say that I share Chili's concern that you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you think you are going to be able to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables after just a couple of months post-op and still lose all of your excess weight. Replacing pasta and pastries with fruits and veggies IS a huge step forward, but I don't think it is going to get you where you want to be (no matter how positive your attitude is).

Have you talked to anyone who is a successful long term (5+ years) post-op who is vegan/vegetarian to find out how they eat in order to lose the weight and then maintain their weight loss?  If not, I would suggest talking to some.  Poet Kelly is one who is active on here.

Lora