Informative posts about the DS and Why they Happen
Ms. Cal Culator
on 10/31/11 2:13 am - Tuvalu
on 10/31/11 2:13 am - Tuvalu
Now that you mention it...all the stuff that GROWS (carbs) contains the oxalates that those with kidney stones are supposed to avoid.
To wit, a list of high oxalate carbohydrate foods that stone-ers should avoid:
| Vegetable | Total oxalic acid mg/100g FW | Vegetable | Total oxalic acid mg/100g FW |
| Amaranth | 1090 | Kale | 20 |
| Asparagus | 130 | Lettuce | 330 |
| Beans, snap | 360 | Okra | 50 |
| Beet leaves | 610 | Onion | 50 |
| Broccoli | 190 | Parsley | 1700 |
| Brussel sprouts | 360 | Parsnip | 40 |
| Cabbage | 100 | Pea | 50 |
| Celery | 190 | Pepper | 40 |
| Casava | 1260 | Potato | 50 |
| Cauliflower | 150 | Purslane | 1310 |
| Carrot | 500 | Radish | 480 |
| Chicory | 210 | Rutabaga | 30 |
| Chives | 1480 | Spinach | 970 |
| Collards | 450 | Squash | 20 |
| Coriander | 10 | Potato, sweet | 240 |
| Corn, sweet | 10 | Tomato | 50 |
| Cucumber | 20 | Turnip | 210 |
| Egg plant | 190 | Watercress | 310 |
| Endive | 110 | ||
| Garlic | 360 |
You are just not cooking them right. Put some ham hocks in the crock pot and cook them on low for 6-8 hours. (It's even better if they are smoked.) Then put your brussel sprouts in for about 30 minutes. So yummy.
Elizabeth
Back in the U.S.A.
"I have lost the lumbering hulk that I once was. I don't hide behind my clothes or behind my door. I am part of life's rich tapestry not an observer." Kirmy
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on 10/31/11 2:46 am - Woodbridge, VA
on 10/31/11 2:46 am - Woodbridge, VA
Sounds like a great doctor! The more I read and understand about human evolution, dietary requirements, and all that good stuff, the more I come to understand that carbs are the enemy IN GENERAL - nothing to do with having had WLS or not. There is a reason ketogenic diets (very high fat and low carb) have been used to successfully treat/improve such conditions typically thought of as non-diet-related as Alzheimer's, schizophrenia, epilepsy, and even some CANCERS (jeez, wouldn't that just blow crazy Mini-Me's mind - eating a HIGH FAT diet can actually STOP the spread of cancer, not CAUSE it!).
Grains only recently, on the grand spectrum of human existence, entered most people's diets on a regular basis. Funny, before that, people still existed and carried on just fine eating protein, fat, and an occasional vegetable or berry. And yet so many are now convinced that we "need" these "good carbs" to be healthy. It makes NO logical sense!
Grains only recently, on the grand spectrum of human existence, entered most people's diets on a regular basis. Funny, before that, people still existed and carried on just fine eating protein, fat, and an occasional vegetable or berry. And yet so many are now convinced that we "need" these "good carbs" to be healthy. It makes NO logical sense!
Kinda OT/on topic to this.. my dear lean hummingbird metabolism'd husband.. who maybe had 10lbs extra BF on him at 42 had a lipid profile done (post my WLS).. Doc wanted him on statins, we both said heck no, not yet when he got home with the lab results.. put the script in the desk and ignored it.
Despite the fact that his past draws showed a slow but steady increase/decrease in the wrong numbers, this last one was a total shocking anomaly. It was not done fasting (last ones weren't either) and was (figured out later) after an office party carb-binge.. but still the numbers- triglycerides specifically, were sky-high.This was in the middle of reading some books on diet, carbs etc.. including my favs from Gary Taubes.
Long story short, he takes what he reads to heart.. made some real changes (made easier by me, at least at dinner since I cook meat, meat, meat.. plus some veg for him, and no carbs) and drops 15lbs within a few months time.. gets his labs done on his own.. lo & behold, triglycerides lower than they were 5 years ago (over 500, down to 60 fasting), HDL went up a couple points, LDL went down a *****is chol was never "bad" well under 200.. just HDL was low in the normal range, LDL/particle numbers higher than wanted.) He's going back to Doc in a little while & plans to say nothing about the pills until after the labs are in.. I am interested to see particle size too.. he fell mostly into the larger size, as do I.. and this type of diet is said to help convert smaller particle size to larger (supposedly less harmful to the vessels..)
He is a convert now.. He swears he feels more energetic, no mid afternoon sluggishness.. and he didn't go through any carb cravings or any ill feelings.. Just effortless for him to make the switch to a mostly meat/veg/real fat diet. So, there's one anecdotal story about a normie having some interesting results switching to a low carb life.
Despite the fact that his past draws showed a slow but steady increase/decrease in the wrong numbers, this last one was a total shocking anomaly. It was not done fasting (last ones weren't either) and was (figured out later) after an office party carb-binge.. but still the numbers- triglycerides specifically, were sky-high.This was in the middle of reading some books on diet, carbs etc.. including my favs from Gary Taubes.
Long story short, he takes what he reads to heart.. made some real changes (made easier by me, at least at dinner since I cook meat, meat, meat.. plus some veg for him, and no carbs) and drops 15lbs within a few months time.. gets his labs done on his own.. lo & behold, triglycerides lower than they were 5 years ago (over 500, down to 60 fasting), HDL went up a couple points, LDL went down a *****is chol was never "bad" well under 200.. just HDL was low in the normal range, LDL/particle numbers higher than wanted.) He's going back to Doc in a little while & plans to say nothing about the pills until after the labs are in.. I am interested to see particle size too.. he fell mostly into the larger size, as do I.. and this type of diet is said to help convert smaller particle size to larger (supposedly less harmful to the vessels..)
He is a convert now.. He swears he feels more energetic, no mid afternoon sluggishness.. and he didn't go through any carb cravings or any ill feelings.. Just effortless for him to make the switch to a mostly meat/veg/real fat diet. So, there's one anecdotal story about a normie having some interesting results switching to a low carb life.
Ms. Cal Culator
on 10/31/11 3:58 am - Tuvalu
on 10/31/11 3:58 am - Tuvalu
Mr. Sue had a heart attack at age 47. (Or 46...I get confused.)
He has a genetic predisposition to high LDL and he works at keeping it under control most of the time.
HOWEVER...there is no proof, I just read, that high/low cholesterol is related to heart attacks. Imagine! There are low cholesterol people who DO have coronary events and HIGH cholesterol people who have no cardiac problems at all.
We may all be chasing a chupacabra.
Yep, read that too.. it's still up in the air.. and it seems more and more forward-leaning studies are shying way from those two being intrinsically linked. Kinda the same deal with saturated fat that every doc has told us to avoid forever.. yeah, there is NO evidence that sat fats = bad coronary effects.. none. Go figure.
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on 10/31/11 4:21 am, edited 10/31/11 4:21 am - Woodbridge, VA
on 10/31/11 4:21 am, edited 10/31/11 4:21 am - Woodbridge, VA
As Jo touched on, there is also the issue of particle size. It's scary that most docs don't ever do any further testing beyond a standard lipid panel, but a high LDL is NOT necessarily bad, as there are big "fluffy" LDL particles and small particles, and only the small ones are thought to be dangerous, while the fluffy ones are harmless. I HATE that people are put on drugs (especially such crappy ones as statins) based on a lipid panel alone without running a VAP to check LDL particle size.
Not only do some folks with low cholesterol have coronary issues and vice versa, as you stated, but then there's also the fact that those who take drugs to lower their cholesterol actually end up with NO reduced risk for coronary events! So, your cholesterol is high, and you take the drugs to get it down, and you have a heart attack anyway - good advice, doc!
Also, my MIL swears that they have caught a chupacabra in Mexico. She also fully believes in ghosts, yet makes fun of her boyfriend for believing in Bigfoot. She has never had a heart attack, though, so, clearly, believing in chupacabras and ghosts will reduce the risk of coronary events.
Not only do some folks with low cholesterol have coronary issues and vice versa, as you stated, but then there's also the fact that those who take drugs to lower their cholesterol actually end up with NO reduced risk for coronary events! So, your cholesterol is high, and you take the drugs to get it down, and you have a heart attack anyway - good advice, doc!
Also, my MIL swears that they have caught a chupacabra in Mexico. She also fully believes in ghosts, yet makes fun of her boyfriend for believing in Bigfoot. She has never had a heart attack, though, so, clearly, believing in chupacabras and ghosts will reduce the risk of coronary events.
Ms. Cal Culator
on 10/31/11 6:38 am - Tuvalu
on 10/31/11 6:38 am - Tuvalu
On October 31, 2011 at 11:21 AM Pacific Time, jillybean720 wrote:
As Jo touched on, there is also the issue of particle size. It's scary that most docs don't ever do any further testing beyond a standard lipid panel, but a high LDL is NOT necessarily bad, as there are big "fluffy" LDL particles and small particles, and only the small ones are thought to be dangerous, while the fluffy ones are harmless. I HATE that people are put on drugs (especially such crappy ones as statins) based on a lipid panel alone without running a VAP to check LDL particle size.Not only do some folks with low cholesterol have coronary issues and vice versa, as you stated, but then there's also the fact that those who take drugs to lower their cholesterol actually end up with NO reduced risk for coronary events! So, your cholesterol is high, and you take the drugs to get it down, and you have a heart attack anyway - good advice, doc!
Also, my MIL swears that they have caught a chupacabra in Mexico. She also fully believes in ghosts, yet makes fun of her boyfriend for believing in Bigfoot. She has never had a heart attack, though, so, clearly, believing in chupacabras and ghosts will reduce the risk of coronary events.
"clearly, believing in chupacabras and ghosts will reduce the risk of coronary events."
Glad to see good science.
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