x-post from diabetic board..Has anyone been able to talk their insurance co. out of...

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on 4/7/11 3:00 pm - San Jose, CA
Walter, I thought you had more than one type of diabetes, including insipidus.  You could not have expected your diabetes to go into complete remission.
walter A.
on 4/7/11 11:11 pm - lafayette, NJ
Dr Rubinio stated that the remission issue is greatly over stated, that many think they are in remission post op when it is really a issue of carb diet modification by the surgery(not eat ting).  that resistance at the cellular level doesn't change, and liver functions may not either.  his lecture prompted me to continue my blood testing vigilance and those results are precisely what we found.  high levels in the wake up test.
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on 4/7/11 3:07 pm - San Jose, CA
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/amos/4362292/Mandated-Pre- Op-Weight-Loss-ASMBS-SAYS-NO/

Dated March 23, 2011: http://www.asmbs.org/Newsite07/resources/ASMBS%20Position%20 Statement%20on%20Preoperative%20Supervised%20Weight%20Loss%2 0Requirements.pdf

PRE-OPS: YOU CAN FIGHT YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR PRE-OP WEIGHT LOSS PROGRAMS! 

Summary and Recommendations

1. There are no Class I studies or evidence-based reports that document the benefits of, or the need for, a 6 to 12 month pre-operative dietary weight loss program before bariatric surgery. The current evidence supporting preoperative weight loss involves physician-mandated weight loss to improve surgical risk or to evaluate patient adherence. Although many believe there may be benefits to acute preoperative weight loss in the weeks before bariatric surgery, the available Class II-IV data regarding acute weight loss prior to bariatric surgery are indeterminate and provide conflicting results leading to no clear consensus at this time. Preoperative weight loss that is recommended by the surgeon and/or the multi-disciplinary bariatric treatment team due to an individual patient’s needs may have value for the purposes of improving surgical risk or evaluating patient adherence, but is supported only by low-level evidence in the literature at the present time.

2. One effect of mandated preoperative weight management prior to bariatric surgery is attrition of patients from bariatric surgery programs. This barrier to care is likely related to patient inconvenience, frustration, healthcare costs and lost income due to the requirement for repeated physician visits that are not covered by health insurance.

It is the position of the ASMBS that the requirement for documentation of prolonged preoperative diet efforts before health insurance carrier approval of bariatric surgery services is inappropriate, capricious, and counter-productive given the complete absence of a reasonable level of medical evidence to support this practice. Policies such as these that delay, impede or otherwise interfere with life-saving and cost-effective treatment, as have been proven to be true for bariatric surgery to treat morbid obesity, are unacceptable without supporting evidence. Individual surgeons and programs should be free to recommend preoperative weight loss based on the specific needs and cir****tances of the patient.


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on 4/7/11 3:46 pm - San Jose, CA
Safety, Effectiveness, and Cost Effectiveness of Metabolic Surgery in the Treatment of Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989372/?tool=pu bmed

Natural history and metabolic consequences of morbid obesity for patients denied coverage for bariatric surgery. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21111379

Medication utilization and annual health care costs in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus before and after bariatric surgery. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20713923

Effectiveness of a Prebariatric Surgery Insurance-required Weight Loss Regimen and Relation to Postsurgical Weight Loss

 http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v18/n2/full/oby2009230a.ht ml






 
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on 4/8/11 1:01 am - Woodbridge, VA
Your rationale won't fly with insurance because, in the US, these surgeries are used to treat morbid obesity, which is a medical diagnosis; they are not approved treatments for type 2 diabetes (even though they often work for that). You can try working with the information Diana provides, but the diabetes argument won't win.
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