'Revision to DS approved!!! No need for EBAY now.' Thread
Baby Blues
on 3/9/11 2:35 am - Roy, UT
on 3/9/11 2:35 am - Roy, UT
I have been blocked by the OP (pouched potato). However I am getting several OH notifications that people are responding to my response to him. Since I obviously can't reply there anymore I thought I would open a thread up to those of you who were trying to ask me about having pyloric valve and still dumping and having RH.
Yes. I am a DSer.
Yes. I have my pyloric valve.
Yes. I have dumping symptoms and I was DIAGNOSED with RH.
I am 3 yrs out of my DS surgery and have been told that there is an increase of seeing later term DSers and Sleevers who are developing either (or both) dumping symptoms and RH. Since obviously both DSers and Sleevers have their pyloric valve still, there are new studies being done to determine what exactly is causing it now. The old standard explanation is that is was caused by the PV being bypassed or closed off during RNY surgeries which explains why RNYers experienced it. Well, when those of us with our PVs still intact started having the same symptoms then it became clear that obviously there is something else going on. I am extremely curious as to the EXACT cause.......but the jury is still out.
In the meantime, those who keep subscribing to the myth that if you have DS or the sleeve you won't have dumping and/or RH are doing a huge disservice to both others and themselves. It's not accurate and it also tries to sweep the dirt under the rug. I didn't ask for RH. I was like everyone else and assumed I would be immune to it because of my DS. I was wrong. In no way am I saying everyone will get it....I'm sure statistically speaking it's still a small percentage. But it's still a reality. Telling people that if they can't get dumping or RH if they get the DS is like telling people they can't die during surgery.
Research. Research. Research. It's your body. Your life. Your journey. You decide how you want ot proceed. But do not go into it blindly and don't expect it to do all the work for you. And most importantly, get off your surgical high horse and be prepared for anything to happen.
xox
Tammy
Yes. I am a DSer.
Yes. I have my pyloric valve.
Yes. I have dumping symptoms and I was DIAGNOSED with RH.
I am 3 yrs out of my DS surgery and have been told that there is an increase of seeing later term DSers and Sleevers who are developing either (or both) dumping symptoms and RH. Since obviously both DSers and Sleevers have their pyloric valve still, there are new studies being done to determine what exactly is causing it now. The old standard explanation is that is was caused by the PV being bypassed or closed off during RNY surgeries which explains why RNYers experienced it. Well, when those of us with our PVs still intact started having the same symptoms then it became clear that obviously there is something else going on. I am extremely curious as to the EXACT cause.......but the jury is still out.
In the meantime, those who keep subscribing to the myth that if you have DS or the sleeve you won't have dumping and/or RH are doing a huge disservice to both others and themselves. It's not accurate and it also tries to sweep the dirt under the rug. I didn't ask for RH. I was like everyone else and assumed I would be immune to it because of my DS. I was wrong. In no way am I saying everyone will get it....I'm sure statistically speaking it's still a small percentage. But it's still a reality. Telling people that if they can't get dumping or RH if they get the DS is like telling people they can't die during surgery.
Research. Research. Research. It's your body. Your life. Your journey. You decide how you want ot proceed. But do not go into it blindly and don't expect it to do all the work for you. And most importantly, get off your surgical high horse and be prepared for anything to happen.
xox
Tammy
I'm selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes. I am out of control and at times hard to handle, but if you can't handle me at my worst...then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best. ---Marilyn Monroe
Sorry for your RH. It could happen to anyone. Could you point me to this new research you speak of so that I can add it to my Pyloric Thread? I had know idea there was a growing increase in the number of late term DSer and VSGers developing RH.
I have been looking into studies that suggest the removal of specifically the pylorus greatly increases the risk of dumping.
~GG
I have been looking into studies that suggest the removal of specifically the pylorus greatly increases the risk of dumping.
~GG
Amen about being prepared for anything to happen. I am sleeved. Before surgery my protein levels were smack middle of normal. A year after surgery I was one point below low normal. For my losing phase I stayed under 20 grams of carbs (total) per day and could eat my minimums of protein by oh 3 or 4 months.
We were talking about how we have quicker gastric emptying and thought maybe the dense proteins just are not broken down enough in my stomach to be absorbed as well as they ought to in my intestines, but who knows really. I wonder if that is a part of the dumping situation too? Quicker gastric emptying leading to the food shifting down the intestines before its how the intestines like it to be?
Who knows, but yea. Anything can happen. So, you might can add inefficient protein absorption to the list. *shrug*
I just drink 3 shakes a day to make sure very minimums are covered in a bioavailable source. Not a deal breaker in the very least, but definitely something to be watchful of!
Thanks for telling folks your experience. Too much repeating whats in the "brochure" and not enough telling of the truth that the brochure's pretty pictures do not show!
We were talking about how we have quicker gastric emptying and thought maybe the dense proteins just are not broken down enough in my stomach to be absorbed as well as they ought to in my intestines, but who knows really. I wonder if that is a part of the dumping situation too? Quicker gastric emptying leading to the food shifting down the intestines before its how the intestines like it to be?
Who knows, but yea. Anything can happen. So, you might can add inefficient protein absorption to the list. *shrug*
I just drink 3 shakes a day to make sure very minimums are covered in a bioavailable source. Not a deal breaker in the very least, but definitely something to be watchful of!
Thanks for telling folks your experience. Too much repeating whats in the "brochure" and not enough telling of the truth that the brochure's pretty pictures do not show!
The one thing Common between the RNY, DS and sleeve is that the portion of the stomach that was responsible for churning food to help it break down is no longer in use and in the case of the DS and sleeve is removed.
I will qualify this with AS EXPLAINED TO ME by 2 Bariatiric nurses, one who has experience with all 4 types of surgery.
The belief is that in RNY you must chew chew and chew your food to prevent it from blocking your stoma, which is partially true. The other reason is that, how you swallow your food is how it will enter your intestines. If your stomach no longer churns food to break it down further then the same would hold true in the DS and sleeve larger pieces of food may not absorb as well.
I will qualify this with AS EXPLAINED TO ME by 2 Bariatiric nurses, one who has experience with all 4 types of surgery.
The belief is that in RNY you must chew chew and chew your food to prevent it from blocking your stoma, which is partially true. The other reason is that, how you swallow your food is how it will enter your intestines. If your stomach no longer churns food to break it down further then the same would hold true in the DS and sleeve larger pieces of food may not absorb as well.
Paul C.
First 5K 9/27/20 46:32 - 11 weeks post op (PR 28:55 8/15/11)
First 10K 7/04/2011 1:03 First 15K 9/18/2011 1:37
First Half Marathon 10/02/2011 2:27:44 (PR 2:24:35)
First Half Ironman 9/30/12 7:32:04
First 5K 9/27/20 46:32 - 11 weeks post op (PR 28:55 8/15/11)
First 10K 7/04/2011 1:03 First 15K 9/18/2011 1:37
First Half Marathon 10/02/2011 2:27:44 (PR 2:24:35)
First Half Ironman 9/30/12 7:32:04
On March 9, 2011 at 11:25 AM Pacific Time, Paul C. wrote:
The one thing Common between the RNY, DS and sleeve is that the portion of the stomach that was responsible for churning food to help it break down is no longer in use and in the case of the DS and sleeve is removed.I will qualify this with AS EXPLAINED TO ME by 2 Bariatiric nurses, one who has experience with all 4 types of surgery.
The belief is that in RNY you must chew chew and chew your food to prevent it from blocking your stoma, which is partially true. The other reason is that, how you swallow your food is how it will enter your intestines. If your stomach no longer churns food to break it down further then the same would hold true in the DS and sleeve larger pieces of food may not absorb as well.
Does that mean if we eat cake and don't chew well it won't absorb? ;o))))))))))) (I know, I can dream anyway.)
Previously Midwesterngirl
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
Thank you for the info... I know people are passionate about their surgery of choice and honestly...
There is both good and bad about ALL sugeries. I think the one thing we can all agree on, is that we should always research the best we can and choose the best surgery for us.
I am so sorry you have RH... It is an awful, awful thing. I hope you are able to find something to bring it under control. (((((hugs))))
Thank you so much for the info. I think that all of us.. (Paitients and doctors) are and SHOULD always be learning. 10 years ago... Only a handful of people had DS or a band... Today people are getting DS/Sleeves, RNY's and Bands daily... We still (and won't) know all the long term info or even just the variations from paitient to paitient.
Warmly,
Jackie
There is both good and bad about ALL sugeries. I think the one thing we can all agree on, is that we should always research the best we can and choose the best surgery for us.
I am so sorry you have RH... It is an awful, awful thing. I hope you are able to find something to bring it under control. (((((hugs))))
Thank you so much for the info. I think that all of us.. (Paitients and doctors) are and SHOULD always be learning. 10 years ago... Only a handful of people had DS or a band... Today people are getting DS/Sleeves, RNY's and Bands daily... We still (and won't) know all the long term info or even just the variations from paitient to paitient.
Warmly,
Jackie
Thank you for this info - I wish you all the best in dealing with it.
Rebecca
Circumferential LBL, anchor TT, BL/BR, brachioplasty 12-16-10 Drs. Howard and Gutowski
Thigh lift 3-24-11, Drs. Howard and Gutowski again!
Height 5' 5". Start point 254. DH's goal: 154. My guess: 144. Insurance goal: 134. Currently bouncing around 130-135.
Circumferential LBL, anchor TT, BL/BR, brachioplasty 12-16-10 Drs. Howard and Gutowski
Thigh lift 3-24-11, Drs. Howard and Gutowski again!
Height 5' 5". Start point 254. DH's goal: 154. My guess: 144. Insurance goal: 134. Currently bouncing around 130-135. 
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