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(deactivated member)
on 2/11/11 11:45 am - San Jose, CA
Projecting much??

Your reading comprehension is sadly lacking.  I said IF you were too stupid, weak, etc., then you should NOT have the DS, because you lack the character traits needed to be happy with a DS.  I didn't say that if you had a different surgery, you were NECESSARILY stupid or weak. But I understand your confusion ... 

And I'm SURE you had the right surgery for you.
Robert R.
on 2/11/11 12:29 pm
On February 11, 2011 at 7:45 PM Pacific Time, DianaCox wrote:
Projecting much??

Your reading comprehension is sadly lacking.  I said IF you were too stupid, weak, etc., then you should NOT have the DS, because you lack the character traits needed to be happy with a DS.  I didn't say that if you had a different surgery, you were NECESSARILY stupid or weak. But I understand your confusion ... 

And I'm SURE you had the right surgery for you.
And who, may I ask, is the person making the call on what is considered "stupid" or "weak"? You? haha...I don't think so. The fact that we all have been big enough to even consider surgery means we are ALL weak in one way or another. Including yourself. And including myself.
     



    


  
(deactivated member)
on 2/11/11 12:41 pm - San Jose, CA
Again, read much?

I was suggesting that people *****ad my post should SELF-SELECT against the DS if they are too stupid, weak, etc., to manage the requirements of the DS.

My genetics were weak.  I'm actually pretty fierce and determined.  I fixed the part that was broken, and I don't feel a bit guilty about it.
CAJUNMAN3366
on 2/11/11 11:01 am - Breaux Bridge, LA
knowledge is power i surely see nothing malicious about this post.......just a loyal DS'er trying to pay it forward~!
 
 
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Robert R.
on 2/11/11 12:20 pm, edited 2/11/11 12:27 pm
I have to argue with a lot of that, if nothing else the supposed "best for long term weight loss benefits" because for one, gastric sleeves are kind of new and there are no long term studies on it yet. Therefore, the "best for long term weight loss" statement alone is inaccurate.

By the way, my surgeon has done RNY, DS, Gastric Sleeve, hernia and all kinds of surgeries for over 10 years and he HIGHLY suggested a sleeve for me. So #2 in the last section is also a false blanket statement.

But I'm fairly certain most people here are wise enough to pay attention. maybe that's why she didn't want post-ops to read this, because we know better.

I may also add, the reason my surgeon suggested the sleeve, is it has fewer cuts, quicker healing, fewer post-op issues, vitamin absorbtion is less of an issue, and I did not have any issues with diabetes, heart diesease or anything. I was just huge. Therefore that choice was better for me and I'm glad he suggested it.

Going around and telling people one procedure is better than another is misleading. It's on an individual basis what one needs. And that's why anyone considering surgery should research many sources, online, offline, meetings, talk to post-op people in person, etc....

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
     



    


  
(deactivated member)
on 2/11/11 12:27 pm
Your surgeon, is not a vetted DS surgeon. Jus' sayin
(deactivated member)
on 2/11/11 12:34 pm - San Jose, CA
Sorry, the data are coming in, and they ain't good:

Long-term results of laparoscopic sleeve gastrectomy for obesity.
Analyzing the results of the subgroup of 30 patients receiving only sleeve gastrectomy, we found a 3-year %EWL of 77.5% and 6+ year %EWL of 53.3%. The differences between the third and sixth postoperative year were statistically significant in both groups. Concerning long-term quality of life patient acceptance stayed good after 6 + years despite the fact that late, new gastro-esophageal reflux complaints appeared in 21% of patients. 
(And those data are the result of only analyzing the SUBGROUP of patients who stuck with the VSG, eliminating from consideration the patients who failed their initial VSG so badly, they got the DS later.)

Robert R.
on 2/11/11 12:47 pm
On February 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM Pacific Time, DianaCox wrote:
Sorry, the data are coming in, and they ain't good:

Long-term results of laparoscopic sleeve gastrectomy for obesity.
Analyzing the results of the subgroup of 30 patients receiving only sleeve gastrectomy, we found a 3-year %EWL of 77.5% and 6+ year %EWL of 53.3%. The differences between the third and sixth postoperative year were statistically significant in both groups. Concerning long-term quality of life patient acceptance stayed good after 6 + years despite the fact that late, new gastro-esophageal reflux complaints appeared in 21% of patients. 
(And those data are the result of only analyzing the SUBGROUP of patients who stuck with the VSG, eliminating from consideration the patients who failed their initial VSG so badly, they got the DS later.)

Apparently you can't comprehend either. There are no long term studies for VSG because it's hasn't existed that long. Argue with the wall if you like, I'm not doing it.

Anyone considering any surgery needs to research all options from many different people. patients, surgeons, offline, online. VSG is so new, a lot of insurance companies still don't cover it.

I'm not going to have a battle of the wits with someone who is unarmed.
     



    


  
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on 2/11/11 12:55 pm - San Jose, CA
At 6 years out, this is the LONGEST of the stats I could find on PubMed.  Please feel free to rebut.  After about year 3, the EWL steadily declines.  Argue all you want - them's the sad facts.

As for being unarmed, REALLY?  I'll stack my PhD in biological chemistry and molecular biology from UCLA Medical School against whatever you've got.
(deactivated member)
on 2/11/11 1:05 pm
apparently you do not understand that the sleeve is nothing new. It is the restrictive component of the DS, so essentially you had half of a DS.
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