Thank you!!  I agree with you.  That is why I have not posted in here for such a long time because I at times allowed them to get to my fleshy nature and that is NOT what God or Jesus would want me to do.  Fight ugly with ugly.  SO I did walk away but here I went coming back in to put my 2 cent in on this topic and all the hate and ugliness comes out in both atheist and even people who claim to be believers.  So thank you for reminding me that I will never change these peoples minds and I do need to walk away smiling.  Many blessings to you!!  If we never meet this side of Heaven I will see you there!! 

How's your weight loss coming along?

I am doing really well with my weight loss.  Thanks for asking.

Did you have a beautiful little girl yesterday??  If not, I am hoping all is still well with you and the spotting and stuff has stopped.

Again thanks for asking about my weight loss.  I am plugging right along.  What about you?  Did you gain much weight with the baby?

Nope. She needs to shift to the left about three inches before I can deliver. Should be any day now - no more than a week - because if something doesn't happen in a week, they'll induce me.

I've only gained 18 lbs which is 3 more than what I wanted, but she's healthy and that's all that matters.

18 wow that is great.  And I am also glad to hear that she is healthy.  She will be here before you know it.  Got a name picked out? 

Take care.........get lots of sleep cause when she gets here your sleeping days are over for a long time..

Late to the party (story of my life) but with all of this emphasis on being "born again" I just wanted to note that the word used in John 3:3 (and 3:7) and translated in the KJV as "again" is ἄνωθεν (anōthen). It's used 13 times in the New Testament, in the following ways: (I'll use the KJV wording)

Matthew 27:51 And behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top (anōthen) to the bottom, ....

Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top (anōthen) to the bottom.

Luke 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first (anōthen) to write ....

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again (anōthen) he cannot ....

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again (anōthen) .

John 3:31 He that cometh from above (anōthen) is above all: ....

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above (anōthen): therefore he that delivered me unto me hath the greater sin.

John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top (anōthen) throughout.

Acts 26:5 Which knew me from the beginning (anōthen), if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.

Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again (actually a compound of palin and anōthen, rather as if to say "again from the beginning) to be in bondage?

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above (anōthen), and cometh down from the Father of lights, ....

James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above (anōthen), but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above (anōthen) is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

My apologies if someone else has already pointed this out; the thread was simply too long and too filled with invective for me to read more than 5 or 6 pages of it.

To summarize: of the 13 instances of the word anōthen in the Bible, the KJV translates it 3 times as "top", twice as "beginning", 5 times as "above" (once in the same chapter as your favored reference), and 3 times as "again" (twice in that same chapter, and once in a very odd construction). It would seem to indicate that "again" is not really the best term to use there.

Best regards,
Dave

 I am charging you with reading all of *****ie's posts before you decide that she is the victim here. Unless of course you are one of those xians who feel that you can be cruel, arrogant, mean-spirited, and vile but it's okay cause you are bff's with jesus.

Why do you suppose even the xians on here are denouncing her? Perhaps, before you encourage the little maggot to continue in her ugly ways you should know just exactly what it is you are supporting.

For you to tell her 'good job' means either that you lack reading comprehension, you have no idea what you are talking about, or you are as vile and black hearted as she. Why am I guessing it is the later rather than the former.

Go and educate yourself before you support this disgusting piece of waste. Just my two cents!

If you TRULY believe it is "each person's choice what they believe" then WHY do you feel the need to spread "the word"? It isn't your JOB to do that, it's a made up assignment you've given yourself to make you feel special and chosen. As I've said elsewhere - I find that arrogant and offputting.

Trying to convince someone what YOU believe is RIGHT and what THEY believe is WRONG isn't a "good deed" Mister. It's proselytizing. And it's vanity.

You have every right to your beliefs....until they start to encrouch on mine.

And if you'd lke to talk about ANGER, and about things that are DISTURBING, go back and ready about the history of Christianity, about the blood shed in the name of the lord. You bet your ASS I get fired up when I see an elected official talking about religion - I've seen where it leads.

You said - If you TRULY believe it is "each person's choice what they believe" then WHY do you feel the need to spread "the word"? It isn't your JOB to do that, it's a made up assignment you've given yourself to make you feel special and chosen. As I've said elsewhere - I find that arrogant and offputting.

I say I do it because the Bible tell us to spread the good new of Jesus but it also tells us to warn of the bad news of Hell to those who leave Christ out!!

Matt.3

1. [1] In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

Matt.4

1. [17] From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
2. [23] And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matt.9

1. [35] And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matt.10

1. [7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
2. [27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Matt.11

1. [1] And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.
2. [5] The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Matt.12

1. [41] The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Matt.24

1. [14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matt.26

1. [13] Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Mark.1

1. [4] John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
2. [7] And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
3. [14] Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
4. [38] And he said unto them, Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also: for therefore came I forth.
5. [39] And he preached in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and cast out devils.

Mark.2

1. [2] And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them.

Mark.3

1. [14] And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

Mark.6

1. [12] And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Mark.14

1. [9] Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mark.16

1. [15] And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
2. [20] And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Luke.3

1. [3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
2. [18] And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people.

Luke.4

1. [18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
2. [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
3. [43] And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
4. [44] And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee.

Luke.7

1. [22] Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Luke.8

1. [1] And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

Luke.9

1. [2] And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
2. [6] And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
3. [60] Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Luke.11

1. [32] The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Luke.16

1. [16] The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke.20

1. [1] And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Luke.24

1. [47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts.3

1. [20] And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts.4

1. [2] Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

Acts.5

1. [42] And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Acts.8

1. [4] Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
2. [5] Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
3. [12] But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
4. [25] And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
5. [35] Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
6. [40] But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Acts.9

1. [20] And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
2. [27] But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

Acts.10

1. [36] The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
2. [37] That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
3. [42] And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Acts.11

1. [19] Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
2. [20] And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

Acts.13

1. [5] And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.
2. [24] When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
3. [38] Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
4. [42] And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts.14

1. [7] And there they preached the gospel.
2. [15] And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
3. [21] And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,
4. [25] And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:

Acts.15

1. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
2. [35] Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
3. [36] And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

Acts.16

1. [6] Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
2. [10] And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavored to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Acts.17

1. [3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
2. [13] But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
3. [18] Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

Acts.19

1. [13] Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

Acts.20

1. [7] And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
2. [9] And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
3. [25] And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

Acts.28

1. [31] Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Rom.1

1. [15] So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

Rom.2

1. [21] Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

Rom.10

1. [8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
2. [14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
3. [15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Rom.15

1. [19] Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
2. [20] Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

Rom.16

1. [25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Cor.1

1. [17] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
2. [18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
3. [21] For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
4. [23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1Cor.2

1. [4] And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1Cor.9

1. [14] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
2. [16] For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
3. [18] What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
4. [27] But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1Cor.15

1. [1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2. [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3. [11] Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
4. [12] Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
5. [14] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

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Can someone please show me where I wrote that what others believe is wrong? Mister? Wow that's hilarious! Yep I will believe in what I want as you will believe what you want. And yes when people turn to God because I have educated them, I do feel better. But that's just me I guess. Not you. Its my life I am not rude and am I going to continue to argue with you. Not worth my time. I posted a reply for someone else. Let it go, grow up and be mature. Over and done for me!