** WHY EAT AROUND YOUR SURGERY***
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"Keeping The Faith!" "Slim by Summer!"
HW: 250 - SW: 241 - CW: 154.7- GW: 140
1 month: 22 pounds (216) 2 months: 12.2 pounds (203.8) 3 months: 10.6 (193.2)
4 months: 9.7 lbs (183.5) 5 Months: 6 pounds (177.5 ) 6 Months: 12 lbs ( 165.5)
7 Months 7.1 lbs (158.4) 8 Months +1.6 pounds(159.8) 9 Months 2.7 pounds (157.1)
10 Months 8.1 lbs (149) 11 months +2 pounds ( 151) 1 YEAR!!! 2.6 pounds (148.4)
Hit "One-derland April 9th, 2011 (199.7)
"Half-Way Goal" April 25th, 2011 (194.8)
"Happyland 80`s" May 14, 2011 (189.6)
"Groovyland 70`s" June 20th 2011 (179.9)
" HippyDippyland 60's" July 16th (169.8)
" CQQL-land 50`s" August 25th ( 159.8)
"Normal BMI" 24.8 October 21st, 2011 (154.5) I am 5`6
"AWESOME-land 40's" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
"Century Club 100 Pounds" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
' ONE YEAR SURGIVERSARY!!!"
Two Year Surgiversary!!!"
I had my pysch eval and was told I was setting my self up for failure again because I hadn't even started trying to eat only healthy things. Instead I was eating everything that I figured I would have to give up after surgery. I was really disgusted at first but now I realize that is exactly what I was doing and I have had to take a long look at myself and realize you only get out what you put in. I have had the email address for OH site for 3 months and just finally started looking into it and I am sooooo glad I did.
It is very nice to hear stories of other people who have went through the same things I have struggled with for as long as I remember and I am hoping when this surgery finally goes through, I really will be ready.
Good luck to you and I appreciate reading your story, I am hoping this will be [part of the reason that I am successful this time!
Sorry i posted something that fell under a reply for you and it wasnt for you so i deleted it.
Congratulations that you are seeking revision. That is AWESOME. What is cool is ... you now know what DID NOT WORK FOR YOU. you get to change that. I hope so many good things for you. That food awakening, personal insight of eating things you thought you could never eat again and realizing you need to change now before your revision is inspiring.
I fear my head, my food addiction, and cannot understand the idea of taking in small amounts of food. I do fear eating around my surgery. I know people cannot help me in this area and I also know when I have my surgery, that I will deal with it.
What I dont understand are why some rookies are so negative. I guess I can see a gift from them too. I also can tell you this. i would be very nice to someone who is NEW.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR RECOVERY
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"Keeping The Faith!" "Slim by Summer!"
HW: 250 - SW: 241 - CW: 154.7- GW: 140
1 month: 22 pounds (216) 2 months: 12.2 pounds (203.8) 3 months: 10.6 (193.2)
4 months: 9.7 lbs (183.5) 5 Months: 6 pounds (177.5 ) 6 Months: 12 lbs ( 165.5)
7 Months 7.1 lbs (158.4) 8 Months +1.6 pounds(159.8) 9 Months 2.7 pounds (157.1)
10 Months 8.1 lbs (149) 11 months +2 pounds ( 151) 1 YEAR!!! 2.6 pounds (148.4)
Hit "One-derland April 9th, 2011 (199.7)
"Half-Way Goal" April 25th, 2011 (194.8)
"Happyland 80`s" May 14, 2011 (189.6)
"Groovyland 70`s" June 20th 2011 (179.9)
" HippyDippyland 60's" July 16th (169.8)
" CQQL-land 50`s" August 25th ( 159.8)
"Normal BMI" 24.8 October 21st, 2011 (154.5) I am 5`6
"AWESOME-land 40's" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
"Century Club 100 Pounds" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
' ONE YEAR SURGIVERSARY!!!"
Two Year Surgiversary!!!"
The answer you are interested in you already know.
Presumably, you have dieted and regained weight, otherwise you wouldn't be resorting to WLS. So, all those times you failed... Why did you eat off plan? Voila! Your answer.
You are still in the "bargaining" stage. "When I have surgery, I am going to do everything right." or "I am going to follow the rules" or "I am changing my mindset". However you phrase it, you are taking drastic action (surgery) and you are convincing yourself 1) it's the right choice; and 2) that you don't want to blow it. This is not a critisism, this is normal, and most of us have been there. I won't even tell you this is a bad thing, I'm not convinced it is.
You do raise my issue with support groups, at least poorly run ones (maybe not, I don't know). I learned more about BREAKING THE RULES in support group than I learned about anything else. I didn't even want to learn, but it's what was being talked about. Ultimately, Support Group was a bad influence, and I dropped it.
Anyhow, My surgery is FEB 1st. I hope and hope and hope I DONT EAT AROUND MY SURGERY...
This is my fear. and I question why try it when we are detoxed and the physical cravings are gone. it just tells me the head is broken. There is where we ALL need the help.
I love support groups bc I get something out of it everytime. if i break rules or judge... with an open mind I still get something out of it. I would need to change my rule breaking behavior and realize why do i seek attention this way, or want to control the situation and perhaps work on this issue. Sometimes I need to listen and just be.
or what is it about that situation that is in me. GOD please reveal so I may change to be a better person
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"Keeping The Faith!" "Slim by Summer!"
HW: 250 - SW: 241 - CW: 154.7- GW: 140
1 month: 22 pounds (216) 2 months: 12.2 pounds (203.8) 3 months: 10.6 (193.2)
4 months: 9.7 lbs (183.5) 5 Months: 6 pounds (177.5 ) 6 Months: 12 lbs ( 165.5)
7 Months 7.1 lbs (158.4) 8 Months +1.6 pounds(159.8) 9 Months 2.7 pounds (157.1)
10 Months 8.1 lbs (149) 11 months +2 pounds ( 151) 1 YEAR!!! 2.6 pounds (148.4)
Hit "One-derland April 9th, 2011 (199.7)
"Half-Way Goal" April 25th, 2011 (194.8)
"Happyland 80`s" May 14, 2011 (189.6)
"Groovyland 70`s" June 20th 2011 (179.9)
" HippyDippyland 60's" July 16th (169.8)
" CQQL-land 50`s" August 25th ( 159.8)
"Normal BMI" 24.8 October 21st, 2011 (154.5) I am 5`6
"AWESOME-land 40's" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
"Century Club 100 Pounds" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
' ONE YEAR SURGIVERSARY!!!"
Two Year Surgiversary!!!"
I saw your surgery date before I responded. As I said, like most of us, you are still in the "Promise anything to lose weight" phase. This phase is generally from when we choose our WLS to some point post-op when it all seems normal. Now, read what I said before: This is not necessarily a bad thing.
One thing that foiled many of our previous attempts was lack of early success and positive feedback. As a result, we were doing all that work, all that deprivation, for little results. It's defeating.
After WLS, there is quick feedback: Not only do many of us not eat a lot, many of us CAN'T eat a lot. We lose weight quicker, and with less apparent willpower and/or effort than ever before. This NEW feature for us gives us instant payoff of our "promises". Success breeds success. Having finally fulfilled a promise of commitment and having it rewarded, many of us are highly motivated to continue the promises.
There will come a time when you are able to "eat around your surgery". This, also, is not necessarily a bad thing. It's how you deal with the knowledge.
There is NOTHING that "ALL" of us share in common. Certainly, not all of our heads are broken. Some post-ops consider themselves fairly well adjusted. I am not one of those, but they are out there.
Don't get your hopes up on the whole "Detox from food" (aka "starving") thing. It's entirely possible, even probable that physical cravings will always be there. Most of us have a period when appetite and cravings are not there, but for most of us it returns. For your type of WLS, I'm not sure what the general experience is with appetite. Developing new habits when the pressure is off will serve when the pressure is on.
Support Groups: If it works for you, great. They worked against me. Different strokes for different folks. I suspect much of it depends on the specific group dynamics.
You mention rules. Rules are important. Even more important is understanding WHY the rules are the rules. The "Rules" can't be complete enough to address every situation, but by understanding the underlying principles you can reason things out... make judgments. "Why" is a question that should be asked to an annoying extent.
An open mind is good, but don't be so open that your brains fall out.
That you are putting such thought into all this before surgery is outstanding. You seem to be thinking about things from different directions, which can't be a bad thing.
Good Luck.
Thank you for your response. Alot of good feed back. I did get a lot out of it.
Also,,,I am in the,,,"Promise anything to lose weight" OK I can see that. I do own this but I feel that it is normal in my baby stage.
and your right, my thinking is coming from all different directions.
While some have a handle on eating certain moderate foods is not my complaint. Nor what my post was about. What my concern was eating around the surgery and why try it. For the moderate folks that do enjoy some moderate endulgance... this was NOT a topic for them to respond in a mean manner.
There are a few people who do eat around their surgery and come to the group and whine and DO NOTHING about it. Last night I was triggered. My responses were.. well ya know.... BLAH BLAH BLAH AND ATTACK AND ATTACK AND ATTACK..... And some were spot on like yours. I have received so much gifts even from those that kept bickering with me. I too learned from them.
Your response was well said. Your open mind is well put . Thank you~
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"Keeping The Faith!" "Slim by Summer!"
HW: 250 - SW: 241 - CW: 154.7- GW: 140
1 month: 22 pounds (216) 2 months: 12.2 pounds (203.8) 3 months: 10.6 (193.2)
4 months: 9.7 lbs (183.5) 5 Months: 6 pounds (177.5 ) 6 Months: 12 lbs ( 165.5)
7 Months 7.1 lbs (158.4) 8 Months +1.6 pounds(159.8) 9 Months 2.7 pounds (157.1)
10 Months 8.1 lbs (149) 11 months +2 pounds ( 151) 1 YEAR!!! 2.6 pounds (148.4)
Hit "One-derland April 9th, 2011 (199.7)
"Half-Way Goal" April 25th, 2011 (194.8)
"Happyland 80`s" May 14, 2011 (189.6)
"Groovyland 70`s" June 20th 2011 (179.9)
" HippyDippyland 60's" July 16th (169.8)
" CQQL-land 50`s" August 25th ( 159.8)
"Normal BMI" 24.8 October 21st, 2011 (154.5) I am 5`6
"AWESOME-land 40's" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
"Century Club 100 Pounds" Dec 1st 2011 (149)
' ONE YEAR SURGIVERSARY!!!"
Two Year Surgiversary!!!"
Initially, you were responding to one or more people from your support group that took up a fair amount of time complaining about their "eating around the surgery" angst. From the outside, the solution is obvious... "Don't do that!" Using your intellect, you arrived at "Not only don't do that... Don't even Try!"
The angst you are expressing is about a couple individuals in group with a problem. When you look around your next group, notice all the people there that are NOT talking about this problem. Pretty much the same here, you read time and again of people having problems eating around their surgery, but you don't read the hundreds or thousands of others that don't post about not having problem. [Read that a couple times, it will make sense].
So, you relate this in overly broad and non-specific terms, and all of the "moderation is fine" folks jumped on you. Rather than admit you were overly broad, you kept trying to defend the position you were forced into.
Now, you are here:
"People that have, or will have, an issue with 'eating around their surgery' in unhealthy ways should not even try it."
There are those that are compelled to defeat their surgery. Yes, they are sick. Do you think "Not even Trying" is an option for this type of person? Of course not But, as of now, this is effectively the position you are left with, talking about these poor souls that really have no choice about 'trying it'.
Probably another mistake you are making is thinking the one or two people in group are "typical". I can guarantee you, the people taking the time in group are anything but typical. Then, you personalize their experience to you, and it's frightening that you might be as out of control as they are. Particularly since you shared you had an addiction problem in the past. Of course this is scary. This is ONE reason why my surgeon didn't want pre-ops in group... there are problems there you can't comprehend, and it can really screw you up.
IMHO, addiction is different than over eating. You can abstain from alcohol, drugs, or other substances,as you have shown. You cannot abstain from food. This is why MODERATION is the watchword. Moderation can include not eating specific foods if you can't be moderate with them.
So, back away from "Sick people do sick things" and making it a general truth. Sick people do sick things, but we (you) don't need to be sick people doing sick things.
HOWEVER, I have not been told that there are specific foods that I can never have again, except that some things my body won't tolerate and it's different for everyone. I know I always need to eat protein first, and not drink with meals, and eat 3 meals/day without snacking. But never treat myself again? Heck no! As it was put to me, the goal is that I will eventually be able to eat a normal sized portion of a typical meal. I don't understand the posts saying "no carbs ever again"... I am allowed to introduce carbs as soon as my pouch can handle my 3oz protein and serving of vegetables. And I look forward to being able to have a bite or two of dessert and be satisfied.
I know there are ways to regain or stop losing, and I will be careful to avoid them. (Grazing, I'm told, is the #1 problem). I also know that I will need to be conscious of always eating enough protein, and not having anything else until the point when I can "fit" all of my protein in - I know I need that nourishment to stay healthy. But I don't consider any food "forbidden" long-term... I just think of it as things I shouldn't attempt until much further down the road. I want a normal, healthy relationship with food. "Normal", to me, is knowing that eating a mini candy bar on Halloween might be ok... but finishing the bag in a day is NOT.
