Anybody use NUTRAMETRIX for vitamin/mineral support?
I used this when I first got out of the hospital. it is a powdered ****tail, and you add 1.5 scoops to juice and drink it. you get to select which vitamins/minerals are in it. mine had a multi vitamin/calcium/advanced B complex. Im thinking about going back to using it but I remember using it once a day. the calcium is 1,000mg (42% DV) but from what Ive learned since, this doesnt seem like enough. anybody else use this?
*Solise* 2 years, 3 months out from my RNY
Im a little confused cause this is sold IN my drs office. must be another case of different surgeons/different requirements. Im just tired of wasting money on supplements only to find out i bought something that my body cannot use and I have to throw it out. its not cheap at $53 a month so I was wondering if anyone else was using it.
*Solise* 2 years, 3 months out from my RNY
No.
WIthout even going to their website, looking at your description I can tell that they are practicing in "questionable" (and in my mind, unethical) labeling practices for their calcium.
Okay, science lesson time.
The RDA for calcium is 1000mg of elemental calcium. If 1000mg of calcium is only 42% DV according to their nutritional facts, that would mean the RDA would be significantly higher.
This means, they are labeling the entire amount of the calcium ion molecule for the value rather than just the amount of elemental calcium. And without going to the website, I'm fairly certain that it is not calcium citrate -- because calcium citrate is only about 24% elemental calcium (so the label would have been more like 1000mg 24% DV). It *looks* like carbonate since there is about 40% calcium in a calcium carbonate molecule.
To be fair, I can't back this up because I've looked on the website and I can't figure out exactly WHICH one you are referencing.. but in any case, there is NO way that 1000mg of calcium works out to 42% DV at all -- without accounting for the fact they are counting the whole molecule of calcium whatever versus the elemental calcium.
But if you tell me which one, I'll give you a complete rundown.
WIthout even going to their website, looking at your description I can tell that they are practicing in "questionable" (and in my mind, unethical) labeling practices for their calcium.
Okay, science lesson time.
The RDA for calcium is 1000mg of elemental calcium. If 1000mg of calcium is only 42% DV according to their nutritional facts, that would mean the RDA would be significantly higher.
This means, they are labeling the entire amount of the calcium ion molecule for the value rather than just the amount of elemental calcium. And without going to the website, I'm fairly certain that it is not calcium citrate -- because calcium citrate is only about 24% elemental calcium (so the label would have been more like 1000mg 24% DV). It *looks* like carbonate since there is about 40% calcium in a calcium carbonate molecule.
To be fair, I can't back this up because I've looked on the website and I can't figure out exactly WHICH one you are referencing.. but in any case, there is NO way that 1000mg of calcium works out to 42% DV at all -- without accounting for the fact they are counting the whole molecule of calcium whatever versus the elemental calcium.
But if you tell me which one, I'll give you a complete rundown.
That makes even less sense --
It's a good calcium, but only 13% of the calcium lactate molecule is actually elemental calcium. So the numbers aren't adding up.
I have to add also, that I've looked at every multi on the "General Health" tab on http://www.nutrametrix.com/corporate/product-13048NM/nutrametrix-multivitamins-and-multiminerals.htm page. Every one has iron in it. It seems most have lactate, which is a good calcium, but does seem weird that I can't find the one you are referencing.
The label here --> http://mx.unfranchise.com/resources/images/labels/13969_Label.jpg looks accurate, though.
So I have to wonder where the info came that you're referencing. Is there a website or something?
(I'm confused too, because something is not making sense.)
It's a good calcium, but only 13% of the calcium lactate molecule is actually elemental calcium. So the numbers aren't adding up.
I have to add also, that I've looked at every multi on the "General Health" tab on http://www.nutrametrix.com/corporate/product-13048NM/nutrametrix-multivitamins-and-multiminerals.htm page. Every one has iron in it. It seems most have lactate, which is a good calcium, but does seem weird that I can't find the one you are referencing.
The label here --> http://mx.unfranchise.com/resources/images/labels/13969_Label.jpg looks accurate, though.
So I have to wonder where the info came that you're referencing. Is there a website or something?
(I'm confused too, because something is not making sense.)
Oh. Well, it's password protected. It's asking for an email and password -- of which you have an account.
Still here's what bothers me. The RDA for calcium is 1000mg. That's a figure that is set in stone. So to see a product claim that 1000mg is only 42% DV means that they are not giving you the numbers in elemental calcium. They are giving you molecular weight. Which isn't technically *wrong* just, to me, unethical (and as you see, confusing all to freaking hell).
Calcium is a molecule -- like water. Water is two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom -- H2O. Well, calcium is the same way. Different molecules have different amounts of calcium in them. Calcium carbonate is smaller and cheaper -- and is 40% actual calcium. That means 60% is carbonate. Calcium citrate is 21-24% calcium (depending on whom you ask), and lactate is only 13%.
And beyond anything else, let's say they ARE being honest -- and I don't think they are for a second here -- you cannot absorb 1000mg of calcium at once. So 400-500mg are being wasted.
But since I think you are only getting 130mg of calcium out of that dose, it's not a problem. It still doesn't add up to 42% DV though. It's 13% DV. I'd be curious to know what figures they are getting at.
In fact, I'm going to get vitalady involved. Maybe I'm missing something.
Still here's what bothers me. The RDA for calcium is 1000mg. That's a figure that is set in stone. So to see a product claim that 1000mg is only 42% DV means that they are not giving you the numbers in elemental calcium. They are giving you molecular weight. Which isn't technically *wrong* just, to me, unethical (and as you see, confusing all to freaking hell).
Calcium is a molecule -- like water. Water is two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom -- H2O. Well, calcium is the same way. Different molecules have different amounts of calcium in them. Calcium carbonate is smaller and cheaper -- and is 40% actual calcium. That means 60% is carbonate. Calcium citrate is 21-24% calcium (depending on whom you ask), and lactate is only 13%.
And beyond anything else, let's say they ARE being honest -- and I don't think they are for a second here -- you cannot absorb 1000mg of calcium at once. So 400-500mg are being wasted.
But since I think you are only getting 130mg of calcium out of that dose, it's not a problem. It still doesn't add up to 42% DV though. It's 13% DV. I'd be curious to know what figures they are getting at.
In fact, I'm going to get vitalady involved. Maybe I'm missing something.
Only 130mg per dose???
so why would my dr push that garbage on his patients?
all I wanna do is stay healthy. Ive got a 17 yr old son who needs me. On friday I lost my aunt to stage 4 cancer and that was a wake up call for me. I just wanna stay healthy for as long as I can but these vtamins have me very confused. I was told to take a multi vit, calcium and iron and NEVER was I told what kind to take or that t even made a difference. everything I learned, I learned right here on OH
so why would my dr push that garbage on his patients?
all I wanna do is stay healthy. Ive got a 17 yr old son who needs me. On friday I lost my aunt to stage 4 cancer and that was a wake up call for me. I just wanna stay healthy for as long as I can but these vtamins have me very confused. I was told to take a multi vit, calcium and iron and NEVER was I told what kind to take or that t even made a difference. everything I learned, I learned right here on OH
*Solise* 2 years, 3 months out from my RNY
Well, let's see what Michelle says. I may be missing something. I'm heavily medicated (*bad* migraine) and maybe I'm overlooking something.
But to answer your question -- why is he pushing it? Because he probably doesn't know. I bet if you were to call the office tomorrow, got him on the phone and ask "What is the molecular percentage of calcium in calcium carbonate?" you'd get a "Um. Let me get back to you!" because he would have to look it up. Test him, see. Ask your dietician. A nurse. Doubt any would know off the top of their heads cause they don't need to. It's not critical, and they trust labels.
We know CITRATE IS GOOD! LACTATE IS BETTER! CARBONATE BAD!!! but beyond that, if a company is using questionable labeling practices, even the more seasoned people can get nabbed by it. Hell, Michelle (vitalady) did herself, and she's a freaking expert at this stuff.
Michelle even put this on her website:
"It has come to our attention, that we carry several calcium citrate products that have questionable label information.
But to answer your question -- why is he pushing it? Because he probably doesn't know. I bet if you were to call the office tomorrow, got him on the phone and ask "What is the molecular percentage of calcium in calcium carbonate?" you'd get a "Um. Let me get back to you!" because he would have to look it up. Test him, see. Ask your dietician. A nurse. Doubt any would know off the top of their heads cause they don't need to. It's not critical, and they trust labels.
We know CITRATE IS GOOD! LACTATE IS BETTER! CARBONATE BAD!!! but beyond that, if a company is using questionable labeling practices, even the more seasoned people can get nabbed by it. Hell, Michelle (vitalady) did herself, and she's a freaking expert at this stuff.
Michelle even put this on her website:
"It has come to our attention, that we carry several calcium citrate products that have questionable label information.
The products themselves have helped many customers stabilize their calcium levels and in some cases improver their T-Scores when bone density is monitored by DEXA scan.
Nature's Science Calcium with D & Magnesium; Calcium 750; SciFit Osteo Enhanced and Global Health UpCal D report calcium amounts as 500 or 750mg Calcium Citrate per serving. These amounts refer to calcium salts and not elemental calcium. Elemental calcium is approx 1/4 of the total weight of the calcium salts. Therefore the 500 mg and 750 doses only contain about 125 mg and 190 mg elemental calcium citrate, respectively. The manufactures say that the label may be misunderstood, but fall into proper regulations for product labeling. The ORIGINAL UpCal D with the larger scoop and grittier formula was 500mg elemental calcium.
We have been looking into higher dose calcium IN CAPSULE and/or powdered form. As these products have been recommended by many doctors and clinics we have elected to not remove the products from our shelves until we have an economical alternative.
The real concern is in the results achieved in using these products. They have provided many customers with an easy to use, high quality calcium citrate at an acceptable price. The proof of effectiveness is in your test results. However, we want our product labels to reflect more accurately the actual content."
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