WARNING TO PRE-OPS: Think twice, cut once -- or else!

Ramen, Mary.  isn't this the 2nd Ramen I've given you in 2 days?  You must ber one smart cookie...

I just CAN'T fathom what is so hard to understand here, if you actually know the facts! Most of the arguments about NOT getting the DS are just someone talking themselves into, or justifying, a decision IMO.  Oh, "I don't want to eat like THAT" - well then DON'T!  If you have the 'control' to not eat them with the RnY, you'll have the 'control' to not eat them with the DS. Get the stupid 'healthy relationship with food' going and eat like an RnYer, if you chose . . . the DS is not going to STOP you from doing that ferchrissake!  Need a little more fat?  There ARE 'healthy' fats (stupid phrase in the DS vocabulary, I know, but need to make my point!) to add if you run into constipation issues.  Nothing about the DS is irreversible, except the stupid huge stomach - and who the hell wants that back anyway?  All the 'logical' (read BS) reasons for not having the DS are just in the mind of the delusional.  The DS has restriction, it is reversible, the supplementation is different than the RnY but not excessively more, it's not a more 'risky' surgery (more complex for the surgeon - yes, but not more risky for the patient), and RnYers have the same issues, that are correctable in 99.9% of the cases, with gas and poop.  Gawd, ignorance just fires me up!

(and thanks for the RAMEN, ricki!)

You just keep posting and posting and posting, as if repeating your ridiculous uninformed viewpoints will somehow make them truer.  They are not.  I am picturing you as an inbred, brain-damaged pitbull, jaws locked in a deathgrip on a rubber tire, starving to death rather than let go of its "prey" -- obsessed beyond salvation.

The idea that you have "facts" to refute our evidence for the overall superiority of the DS despite the medical references liberally cited here is too ludicrous to even discuss.  Like the Ancient Anus, you make unfounded statements with no citations to published medical literature to back up your worthless and frothing, frustrated bluster.  You can repeat this all you want -- the only people who believe you are your reflection in the mirror and the few other irrational loonies who don't want to believe they may well have made a mistake, either because they failed to do their due diligence, or were LIED to by their non--DS surgeon.

You go ahead and believe everything your surgical group says about nutrition too -- I have no problem with that, because I don't really give a **** what happens to you.  However, I and Vitalady and Andrea and the others who are better informed about the ACTUAL real-life needs of bariatric post-ops will continue to counsel people as we have been doing, and people will continue to successfully and gratefully follow our advice.

By the way, when I attend my surgeon's main support group in San Francisco, my surgeon and his PAs will often corroborate their answers with me, or even defer vitamin questions to me.  Although he is one of the premier DS surgeons in the world, and has published on bariatric nutritional studies, he knows that I have the education and motivation to stay at least as, if not more closely, on top of nutritional information with respect to the DS.  He has the great good sense to know that some of his patients, who are as a whole well-educated and strongly motivated to be proactive about their self-care, may know things he does not, and he respects our input.  I'm sure he checks out what I say -- we share scientific publication and discuss them in person, on the phone and by email all the time -- but he acknowledges my expertise and professional skills.

And now, I'm sure we will be subjected to yet another of your rambling, pointless rebuttals, utterly devoid of citations and hollow of factual content.  Please feel free -- you are keeping this thread, now at 345 replies and an astounding 6465 views, at the top of the recent posts view on the main message board.  More exposure of the benefits of the DS to newbies to the site.

(By the way, earlier in the day, there were 389 replies -- it appears SOMEONE has had OH COMPLETELY delete 50 or more posts from this thread -- I wonder which ones?  I certainly have lost track of which ones they might be.  It had to be done by OH, because it doesn't show the poster's name and "Post Deleted" -- they are entirely gone.)

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PS: People are laughing at and ridiculing you and the cancer nutjob on several message boards, here on OH and elsewhere -- congratuations!  You've made a name for yourself.  Not a name I'd care to be called, but it seems most pathological attention *****s like you aren't that particular about details like reputation.

By the way, I'm home recuperating from my first round of reconstructive surgery -- why is it that you have so much time to devote to this thread?  The door to your igloo frozen shut?  Are you chained to your toilet because you have intractable puking and diarrhea with your RNY?

Oh my Diane, I went back to the first couple of pages of the thread. It appears to me as if you are trying to convert people who might be considering other types of wls surgery to DS. Then as you read further down the posts you see a woman who is making a comment and asking a question about DS and you up and smack her squarely in the face. Then about 4 or 5 goons jumped in and insulted anyone who dared to disagree with your skewed notions. The there was Chad and apologize who were so brain dead their only comments were profanity and spewing vile and hatred. Come to think of it you were spewing vile and hatred too because someone had the audacity to actually disagree with you.

If this is how you intend to get converts to DS, I think you have a problem. Already many people are of the idea that DS'er are a rude hostile bunch of self righteous fools. Pity because I am sure there are nice DSers out there. Too bad more had not come to this site,  To even suggest that because you think DS is the best wls around and therefore anybody choice is irrelevant is beyond arrogant, Borders on delusional. Get a life. Sorry if your  surgery has made you so uncomfortable that you need to spend every waking minute of it face buried in some sort of vitamin research or another.

See if you had RNY you may have been able to relax a bit more and enjoy your new lease on life and de-stress. Maybe in the next life you will have learned better and choose RNY.

If anyone asks me which surgery is best, I will answer as I have always done. Whichever one you can live with after wards. Whichever one suits you best.

Dammit, you figured out my secret plan!  I'm actually a cult leader, and my goal is to convert the world to get the DS, while I secretly acquire control of the world's supply of bacon -- and thereby achieve World Domination!

It is so cute how you are worried that my confontational style will sabotage my efforts.  Never fear, I have already invested millions of dollars in studies which prove this style works to achieve my Machiavellian aims: http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/DS/3484967/Who-benefited-f rom-DSers-posting-on-other-forums/

I know you are maniacally distressed about how this thread is making you feel about your surgery choice, but you really need to put the computer down and take your psych meds -- you are convincing no one, not even yourself.

Hahaha, You are so funny! 

Another gem of wisdom spewed for, the mouth of the all knowing all seeing Diane. Yeah, sorry I don't have any meds. Those are your antidepressants . You are confused again.   You'd better stick your head back into some more research. You might have missed a new study that  stokes your overinflated ego and sense of self importance. I'm sure if you look hard enough, you'll find more "facts"  to support your delusions. Good luck with that.

I can even find a site that states anorexia is a wonderful thing. See, you can find facts to support ANY nonsense on the net.

>>If anyone asks me which surgery is best, I will answer as I have always done. Whichever one you can live with after wards. Whichever one suits you best.<<


Well you can answer that way but it doesn't make it true.  To be truthfull you should say "the surgery that has been shown scientifically to be the best (the DS) may not be the choice you should make.  You should research ALL the surgeries before making a decision."  THAT might be a helpful statement to make when someone asks you which surgery is best.

Becky

But Becky, that would mean she would have to admit that the ONLY reason she has an RNY is because she did not have the mental capacity or psychiatric stability to understand the benefits of nor manage the simple rules of a DS.  Therefore, she has to live with the limitations of her Ruined and Why for the rest of her life.  Dumping on apple pie and all.

Maybe I will Becky. But only after 20 years or so have passed and we know all of the long term complications of DS and all of the pros and all of the cons.   Maybe I will.

You rode the short bus to school, didn't you?

The DS has been performed since 1988. That's a 21 year history, since you will have run out of fingers and toes to do that math.   Here is a study published in 2007, from a Canadian group no less, with 15 year results of the DS:
http://files.meetup.com/379062/DUODENAL%20SWITCH%20LONG-TERM %20RESULTS.pdf

"Success, defined as a loss of >50% IEW, was 82%.  Failure, defined as losing <25% IEW, was only 1%."

""Globally, weight loss was maintained over the years: .... 68.9% for the group followed for more than 10 years."

I DARE you to find results even remotely close to these for the RNY.  See for example the Christou paper -- another Canadian publication.  Note that these statistics are not weighted to exclude SMOs -- this is the average for ALL patients.