WARNING TO PRE-OPS: Think twice, cut once -- or else!

You're right that no one type is for everyone. And even most DSers would agree on that point. After all, if you can't be proactive and compliant with you supplements and labs, you should 110% absolutely not get a DS because you could easily end up killing yourself. If you rely solely on your medical team for information regarding your DS without doing your own additional research, you should 110% not get a DS because you will likely lead quite a miserable life laden with bathroom issues, gas, and nutritional issues.

But it's not fair when a patient speaks with their PCP, surgeon, nut, etc., and ends up getting surgery without ever knowing procedures other than the RNY and band even EXIST.

The point of this thread (that got lost LONG ago) is for pre-ops to research the DS in addition to other procedures, as all too many people end up getting surgery without knowing about the DS or without having ACCURATE facts about the DS.  The point was NOT that everyone should get (or should have gotten) the DS, but that everyone should know it exists and should research it as an option.

Well, actually, the point was that too many people get WLS with the mindset that they can "just" get a revision (often to a DS) later if the first WLS doesn't work, which isn't going to fly for most insurance companies anymore.

And why do we think the insurance company is making this rule? Is it, perhaps, because of the high rate of people seeking a second surgery/revision due to the high failure and side effect rates of the "gold standard" procedure and the band, which are the two most commonly performed WLS procedures in the US today? People should KNOW these facts, not just hear a surgeon say they recommend RNY, so you get an RNY.

My PCP initially recommended a Lap Band for me. I laughed at her in her office and explained exactly WHY that was a laughable suggestion. She, like many medical professionals, had NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THE DS. She did take copies of some information I had about the procedure so she could learn abot it and offer it as a suggestion to other patients in the future (whih is why she's still my PCP - I wouldn't work with anyone not willing to listen to the patient and admit to not fully knowing about something, as opposed to many other medical professionals who would have just come up with some BS excuse as to why this procedure was a bad idea). I know you're all about listening to your medical team (and I'm not telling you NOT to, but I WOULD research their recommendations - after all, everyone makes mistakes, and no one knows everything), but if I had done so, I would be in a world of hurt right now, and that includes my surgical and nutritional team at Johns Hopkins. I wouldn't have gotten a DS if
You're so helpful to make sure lots and lots and LOTS of people read this thread since you continue to post here. It's so kind of you to want everyone to know about the DS before they have their surgery. We really appreciate you helping us spread the word that the DS is an option!I followed their surgical recommendations, I would be deficient in iron (at a minimum) if I followed their supplementation guidelines, and I would be having MAJOR issues with bowel movements and gas if I ate the way they told me to eat.

I never said any such thing.  You are delusional with anger and hunger and dumping.  You poor thing you.

Hahaha, and don't forget freezing too, Sitting in my igloo and all. Oh yeah and don't forget bald, because all of us RNYers lose our hair. That adds to the freezing in the igloo too. Hard to keep our malnourished bald miserable bodies warn. Can't get the bloody igloos above 15 degrees. They melt.

BTW, never said what?

Let me help you keep up.

You said: "Did you miss the point that Diane's reason as she stated for having DS was so she could eat whatever and however much she wanted to without consequence."

Diana never said THAT, though, clearly, that is what you chose to interpret.

I will correct you. First, it helps if you reply to my post so I know that you replied to me.

Second, that was your interpretation of Diana's post and another myth about the DS. By all means keep propagating it with your snarky comments about shoveling food in your mouth with blanket statements.

When I made my DS wls choice, it was for many reasons, the very last being "to learn better eating habits." I know exactly what better eating habits consist of, and if it were that easy, no one would need wls to begin with. With my DS, I'll have a fully functioning 5 oz stomach. I won't have to 'work my tool' as my stomach will do the restriction for me, and while over time it will mature, it will not stretch out to the point of negating my weight loss. Malabsorbtion is the key with the DS and it will keep the weight off me for long term success. It is not without consequence. No wls is. But for me it is exactly what I need to regain my health. I won't be shoveling food in my mouth. I'll be eating a normal size portion of food, and if that consists of a pound of bacon so be it. I'll malabsorb 80% of the fat.

The entire point of Diana's OP was for PRE OPS and NEWBIES. Her message reached me one day while on the RNY board. I felt I owed it to myself to at least take a look at what she was talking about. It changed my life and I'll always be grateful for Diana and other DS vets for putting themselves out there to let people know they have a choice. If that makes me one of her "minions" fine...you better get used to seeing me around.

I'm not going anywhere.

Let us all ask ourselves a question: What is a healthy relationships with food?

To me, it appears that all of you people you keep reciting that mantra are trying to tell me that being afraid of food is somehow healthy. Are you telling me that wishing  (based on surgery choices) to make myself sick from food so as to avoid eating it is a "normal and healthy relationship" with food? I'd really like to know what's so healthy about trading off one eating disorder for another. It reads like this: "I don't like the way being anorexic makes me feel, so I think I'm gonna become bulimic." What a joke.

I never heard a single DSer say that you should eat anything you want. I have, however, heard DSrs say that they love their surgery because it allows them the opportunity to eat whatever they want if the mood should strike without suffering physically painful consequences. If you try to tell me that having a nice, variety filled diet sounds unpalatable to you, you are LYING and I'm calling you out for it. What would life be like if you never learn to enjoy food rather than to fear it. Oh, I know. It would be years and years of dieting. And who wouldn't want to give that up? You had weight loss surgery to become afraid of food? Well then, DSrs had weight loss surgery to learn to eat like a normal person would: enjoying all things in moderation while still maintaining or losing weight.

Poke fun. Any DSer can tell you that your perceived idea of a typical DS diet is bull**** But here is what seems to be a very accurate description of your new found "healthy relationship and fear of food."
 

Masochistic (Self-defeating) Personality Disorder

Self-defeating Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of self-defeating behavior, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts. The person may often avoid or undermine pleasurable experiences, be drawn to situations or relationships in which he or she will suffer, and prevent others from helping him or her, as indicated by at least five of the following:

 Chooses people and situations that lead to disappointment, failure, or mistreatment even when better options are clearly available.

 Rejects or renders ineffective the attempts of others to help him of her.

 Following positive personal events (e.g., new achievement), responds with depression, guilt, or a behavior that produces pain ( e.g., an accident).

Incites angry or rejecting responses from others and then feels hurt, defeated, or humiliated (e.g., makes fun of spouse in public, provoking an angry retort, then feels devastated).

 Rejects opportunities for pleasure, or is reluctant to acknowledge enjoying himself or herself (despite having adequate social skills and the capacity for pleasure).

If that doesn't describe some of you people (and you know who you are) I don't know what does.

Oh SNAP -- you nailed the crazies right on the head!

The reason that I initially began to gain weight several years ago has absolutely NOTHING to do with a lack of self control on my part.  

Why then, would I not want to enjoy something like food?  

It's been a long voyage that started with maturity and caring for other people on my part, then a crime, lies about me, then an accident, hospitalization followed by medication, a realization that I was embroiled in a scandal, and finally, knowing that the only way to fix myself to be normal again was to gain weight so I could have the operation to lose weight.  

I consulted with more than one MD on this topic.  I passed my psych evaluation.  I am very trusted in my community, and have a well known family name that many associate with being quality human beings, i.e. "good people".

I'm very capable of controlling myself.  Others have tried to control me but couldn't.  My morals are intact.  It's a long story that I don't care to share with the obviously many immature people here.  

The best surgery to cure my Diabetes is the DS.  I will do whatever it takes to have it.  

I'm worth it.

THINK TWICE; CUT ONCE.  I'm not a minion of Diana Cox, but you have to agree that this is sound advice.