WARNING TO PRE-OPS: Think twice, cut once -- or else!
Jus****ch for things that make you feel as bat**** crazy as the 'blonde one' (a majority of whose bat**** crazy posts have been pulled . . . .but, keep an eye out anyway!) 
I get such a kick out of the fanatics that truly believe that THEIR APPROACH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL WORK.
I would suggest that anyone that is interested in the DS (Duodenal Switch) because of what Diana and her fanatical supporters say, go to Google and type in the following: Problems with the Duodenal Switch
You will find hundreds of articles, most written by surgeons that either do, or used to do, the duodenal switch. You will learn things like: the majority of DS patients can eat as much at one year post op as they could before surgery; that there is a tremendous problem with chronic diarrhea after the DS; that there is a very large problem with chronic gas after the DS; that long term DS patients are beginning to show the same intestinal problems as long term RnY patients, and a host of other problems.
You will discover that many DS patients regain most of their excess weight. Some studies show that a MAJORITY of DS patients regain a lot of their excess weight.
There is not any one surgical approach that is the "best" for all patients. Any form of surgery can fail, and with weight loss surgery a lot of patients fail, regardless of WHAT surgery they have (and that specifically includes the Duodenal Switch).
Losing weight is largely dependant on how well the patient follows through. They have to change their lift style, permanently. They have to learn to eat properly, in proper amounts, for the rest of their life. They have to exercise on a regular basis. They have to restrain their eating for as long as they live, or they WILL regain the weight that they lost.
There is no "Magic" form of surgery. None. There is no method that is foolproof.
If the patient does not do their part, for the rest of their lives, then all forms of weight loss surgery will fail.
I am 14 months out from having a vertical sleeve gastrectomy. I am still losing at a rate of 2-4 pounds a week. I slow it down by eating things I really shouldn't, I speed it up by geting 100% back on program.
I can, and do, eat anything that I want to eat. I have no limitations on medications that I can take, I have no limitations on foods that I can eat.
I have found losing 162.5 pounds pretty darn easy. Considering that I am 66 years old, have extensive arthritis and can't do much exercise, I would think that I am doing pretty well. I looked at the DS, read a lot of medical literature on it, and decided that there was no way that I wanted any part of any surgery that rerouted my intestines.
We had our intestines put in a certain sequence for a reason. Messing around with that leads to long term problems, as a lot of 10 year RnY patients are discovering. Erosion of the intestines is not something I wantred to even take a chance on. You only have one set, why muck around with them if you don't have to?
In my clinic (at Vanderbilt University), the patients with the sleeve have the highest rate of weight loss, and they have kept that weight off better than any other form of surgery. That's good enough for me.
Please, don't listen to some fanatic about what to do with YOUR body. There approach (or mine) may not be appropriate for you. Trust your doctor, and make your own mind up after doing your own research.
Keep in mind that fanatics cause great harm in this world. And anyone that in effect says, "My way is the ONLY way", is a fanatic.
I would suggest that anyone that is interested in the DS (Duodenal Switch) because of what Diana and her fanatical supporters say, go to Google and type in the following: Problems with the Duodenal Switch
You will find hundreds of articles, most written by surgeons that either do, or used to do, the duodenal switch. You will learn things like: the majority of DS patients can eat as much at one year post op as they could before surgery; that there is a tremendous problem with chronic diarrhea after the DS; that there is a very large problem with chronic gas after the DS; that long term DS patients are beginning to show the same intestinal problems as long term RnY patients, and a host of other problems.
You will discover that many DS patients regain most of their excess weight. Some studies show that a MAJORITY of DS patients regain a lot of their excess weight.
There is not any one surgical approach that is the "best" for all patients. Any form of surgery can fail, and with weight loss surgery a lot of patients fail, regardless of WHAT surgery they have (and that specifically includes the Duodenal Switch).
Losing weight is largely dependant on how well the patient follows through. They have to change their lift style, permanently. They have to learn to eat properly, in proper amounts, for the rest of their life. They have to exercise on a regular basis. They have to restrain their eating for as long as they live, or they WILL regain the weight that they lost.
There is no "Magic" form of surgery. None. There is no method that is foolproof.
If the patient does not do their part, for the rest of their lives, then all forms of weight loss surgery will fail.
I am 14 months out from having a vertical sleeve gastrectomy. I am still losing at a rate of 2-4 pounds a week. I slow it down by eating things I really shouldn't, I speed it up by geting 100% back on program.
I can, and do, eat anything that I want to eat. I have no limitations on medications that I can take, I have no limitations on foods that I can eat.
I have found losing 162.5 pounds pretty darn easy. Considering that I am 66 years old, have extensive arthritis and can't do much exercise, I would think that I am doing pretty well. I looked at the DS, read a lot of medical literature on it, and decided that there was no way that I wanted any part of any surgery that rerouted my intestines.
We had our intestines put in a certain sequence for a reason. Messing around with that leads to long term problems, as a lot of 10 year RnY patients are discovering. Erosion of the intestines is not something I wantred to even take a chance on. You only have one set, why muck around with them if you don't have to?
In my clinic (at Vanderbilt University), the patients with the sleeve have the highest rate of weight loss, and they have kept that weight off better than any other form of surgery. That's good enough for me.
Please, don't listen to some fanatic about what to do with YOUR body. There approach (or mine) may not be appropriate for you. Trust your doctor, and make your own mind up after doing your own research.
Keep in mind that fanatics cause great harm in this world. And anyone that in effect says, "My way is the ONLY way", is a fanatic.
A former Army Medic (1959-1969), Registered Nurse (1969-2000), College Instructor (1984-1989) and a retired Rehabilitation Counselor. I am also a dual citizen of the USA and Canada.
High Weight 412 lbs. Date of Surgery 360.5 Present 170 lbs
High Weight 412 lbs. Date of Surgery 360.5 Present 170 lbs
Ancient Anus is either hallucinating or bold-faced telling lies -- as usual.
The fact is, long term stats for the DS are so much better than for any other bariatric surgery, including the VSG, he periodically goes off the deep end trying to deny the facts.
Hess 2005: In a long term study, the 10 year statistics for the DS (with a 92% follow up rate!) are that 94% of DSers maintain AT LEAST 50% of their excess weight loss. This is so far and away better than the stats for any other bariatric surgery, there is simply nothing else that needs to be said.
Froth at the mouth all you want, Ancient Anus -- facts are facts. Provide links to valid sources of your alleged information about DS failures -- oh wait, you've been asked for citations over and over and over again, and you never provide them -- because THEY DON'T EXIST.
Repeating lies over and over again does not make them facts. YOU FAIL!
Your results at 14 months are vey nice -- and utterly meaningless if you aren't able to maintain that weight loss at 4, 6 or 10 years out. Deep in your heart, in that place where your fear resides, you know that -- and that's why you make up the lies that you do. If it makes you feel better about your surgery choice in the short run, good for you. But I and the other DSers are going to make sure the pre-ops know that what you spew are lies.
The fact is, long term stats for the DS are so much better than for any other bariatric surgery, including the VSG, he periodically goes off the deep end trying to deny the facts.
Hess 2005: In a long term study, the 10 year statistics for the DS (with a 92% follow up rate!) are that 94% of DSers maintain AT LEAST 50% of their excess weight loss. This is so far and away better than the stats for any other bariatric surgery, there is simply nothing else that needs to be said.
Froth at the mouth all you want, Ancient Anus -- facts are facts. Provide links to valid sources of your alleged information about DS failures -- oh wait, you've been asked for citations over and over and over again, and you never provide them -- because THEY DON'T EXIST.
Repeating lies over and over again does not make them facts. YOU FAIL!
Your results at 14 months are vey nice -- and utterly meaningless if you aren't able to maintain that weight loss at 4, 6 or 10 years out. Deep in your heart, in that place where your fear resides, you know that -- and that's why you make up the lies that you do. If it makes you feel better about your surgery choice in the short run, good for you. But I and the other DSers are going to make sure the pre-ops know that what you spew are lies.
Hi lying whack-job, who would have had the DS if the VA would have footed the bill. Glad the assisted living community still lets you on the Internet on occasion, where would we all be without your wisdom (and undocumented) facts? ~ I am the proud wife of a Guatemalan, but most people call me Kimberley
Highest Known Weight = 370# / 59.7 bmi @ 5'6"
Current Weight = 168# / 26.4 bmi : fluctuates 5# either way @ 5'7" / more than 90% EWL
Normal BMI (24.9) = 159#: would have to compromise my muscle mass to get here without plastics, so this is not a goal.
I 
my DS. Don't go into WLS without knowing ALL of your options: DSFacts.com
Oh dear. Here we go with the Old Medic's delusions of knowledge disguised by education.
I am a HUGE advocate of everyone finding whatever WLS they feel is best for them. Everyone has their own reasons for choosing their surgery type. For example, an RNY poster on another thread mentioned that she choose the RNY over the DS because she wanted to model healthy eating for her children, and she felt that eating the amount of fat that DSers have to eat would not be modeling healthy eating. That made sense to me (of course, I think kids can be educated about how mommy is different too), but I applaud how thoroughly she thought through her decision.
But to make those decisions does involve having the most current and correct information. So NEWBIES AND PRE-OPS: PLEASE KNOW THAT THE OLD MEDIC HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT! The above is a cut and paste of his same post from other forums, and his points have been refuted ad nauseum by both DSers and RNYers on those threads, so I won't do it here. To see the facts and read peer reviewed, current medical journal articles about the DS, go to www.dsfacts.com and www.duodenalswitch.com .
Thanks, and best wishes to everyone as you research which ONE WLS will be best for you!
I am a HUGE advocate of everyone finding whatever WLS they feel is best for them. Everyone has their own reasons for choosing their surgery type. For example, an RNY poster on another thread mentioned that she choose the RNY over the DS because she wanted to model healthy eating for her children, and she felt that eating the amount of fat that DSers have to eat would not be modeling healthy eating. That made sense to me (of course, I think kids can be educated about how mommy is different too), but I applaud how thoroughly she thought through her decision.
But to make those decisions does involve having the most current and correct information. So NEWBIES AND PRE-OPS: PLEASE KNOW THAT THE OLD MEDIC HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT! The above is a cut and paste of his same post from other forums, and his points have been refuted ad nauseum by both DSers and RNYers on those threads, so I won't do it here. To see the facts and read peer reviewed, current medical journal articles about the DS, go to www.dsfacts.com and www.duodenalswitch.com .
Thanks, and best wishes to everyone as you research which ONE WLS will be best for you!
Ms. Cal Culator
on 11/21/09 11:06 am - Tuvalu
on 11/21/09 11:06 am - Tuvalu
On November 21, 2009 at 10:15 AM Pacific Time, OldMedic wrote:
I get such a kick out of the fanatics that truly believe that THEIR APPROACH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL WORK.I would suggest that anyone that is interested in the DS (Duodenal Switch) because of what Diana and her fanatical supporters say, go to Google and type in the following: Problems with the Duodenal Switch
You will find hundreds of articles, most written by surgeons that either do, or used to do, the duodenal switch. You will learn things like: the majority of DS patients can eat as much at one year post op as they could before surgery; that there is a tremendous problem with chronic diarrhea after the DS; that there is a very large problem with chronic gas after the DS; that long term DS patients are beginning to show the same intestinal problems as long term RnY patients, and a host of other problems.
You will discover that many DS patients regain most of their excess weight. Some studies show that a MAJORITY of DS patients regain a lot of their excess weight.
There is not any one surgical approach that is the "best" for all patients. Any form of surgery can fail, and with weight loss surgery a lot of patients fail, regardless of WHAT surgery they have (and that specifically includes the Duodenal Switch).
Losing weight is largely dependant on how well the patient follows through. They have to change their lift style, permanently. They have to learn to eat properly, in proper amounts, for the rest of their life. They have to exercise on a regular basis. They have to restrain their eating for as long as they live, or they WILL regain the weight that they lost.
There is no "Magic" form of surgery. None. There is no method that is foolproof.
If the patient does not do their part, for the rest of their lives, then all forms of weight loss surgery will fail.
I am 14 months out from having a vertical sleeve gastrectomy. I am still losing at a rate of 2-4 pounds a week. I slow it down by eating things I really shouldn't, I speed it up by geting 100% back on program.
I can, and do, eat anything that I want to eat. I have no limitations on medications that I can take, I have no limitations on foods that I can eat.
I have found losing 162.5 pounds pretty darn easy. Considering that I am 66 years old, have extensive arthritis and can't do much exercise, I would think that I am doing pretty well. I looked at the DS, read a lot of medical literature on it, and decided that there was no way that I wanted any part of any surgery that rerouted my intestines.
We had our intestines put in a certain sequence for a reason. Messing around with that leads to long term problems, as a lot of 10 year RnY patients are discovering. Erosion of the intestines is not something I wantred to even take a chance on. You only have one set, why muck around with them if you don't have to?
In my clinic (at Vanderbilt University), the patients with the sleeve have the highest rate of weight loss, and they have kept that weight off better than any other form of surgery. That's good enough for me.
Please, don't listen to some fanatic about what to do with YOUR body. There approach (or mine) may not be appropriate for you. Trust your doctor, and make your own mind up after doing your own research.
Keep in mind that fanatics cause great harm in this world. And anyone that in effect says, "My way is the ONLY way", is a fanatic.
In terms of your information from non-peer reviewed and non-cited sources, probably referencing a surgery that is no longer even performed but you're too senile to figure that out...
the majority of DS patients can eat as much at one year post-op as they could before surgery;
WRONG...I'm four years out and can't finish a restaurant sized meal even if i don't order salad or eat bread.
that there is a tremendous problem with chronic diarrhea after the DS;
WRONG...I've never had chronic diarrhea.
that there is a very large problem with chronic gas after the DS;
WRONG... still have a lot of gas from mushrooms, like i have for the past 50 years or so...and I WOULD have it if I ate a bunch of white bread..but I don't.
that long term DS patients are beginning to show the same intestinal problems as long term RnY patients, and a host of other problems
REALLY...WHAT intestinal problems? Where's your source for this? Does it matter to you that NONE of us on the DS board are experiencing what you're describing or have you convinced yourself that we are part of some vast DS conspiracy? My biggest problem is that i repeatedly have to tell idiots who are spreading misinformtion that they are idiots spreading misinformation.
So, hey, you're an idiot spreading misinformation.
Deal is, Old Fart, that your surgery--like mine--made your stomach smaller. And, over time, those stomachs will stretch. I have malabsorption to help me maintain weight loss even as my stoma*****reases in size and you have your brilliant research that you dug up from...I dunno...Ancient Ur or some damned place and, for all practical purposes, at 14 months out, you're nothing but an FNG on wls. Get some experience and or maybe even recent research and THEN speak up. Fool.
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