Do you HAVE TO count calories?

Donna L.
on 7/17/17 1:58 pm, edited 7/17/17 6:58 am - Chicago, IL
Revision on 02/19/18

I always knew I'd end up with one eventually. I was 440 (ish) pounds when I had the sleeve, down from just over 750 pounds. I was too sick for the bypass and the DS, and there was some damage from Celiac, so we held off. I am now stalling constantly and go between 295 - 310. Even eating 600-700 calories I stall. My metabolism is similar to Biggest Looser contestants, many of whom are similarly damaged. Even in the hospital on a very controlled diet recently they saw this. It's super annoying. I was put on Saxenda recently which seems to have kick started it again at least, but I can't take it long-term. I am still very metabolically deranged.

Bypasses and the DS "reboot" the metabolism in a way the sleeve does not. I also need a knee replacement, and while I am losing weight (slowly), it was decided that it's prudent to revise given my complex medical history, so I can be closer to a normal weight sooner. Otherwise, it would probably take another ten years to lose the rest at this rate. I've lost a tremendous amount, just now my dumb hybrid metabolism is being a jerkface.

I follow a ketogenic diet post-op. I also have a diagnosis of binge eating disorder. Feel free to ask me about either!

It is not that we have so little time but that we lose so much...the life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully. -- Seneca, On the Shortness of Life

(deactivated member)
on 7/12/17 1:36 am

I was told 2 ounces - by volume not weight- for each meal at first. Measure everything and not eyeball it. That insures that we are not over eating and ending up uncomfortable. That will eventually increase through the healing process. Protein first as everyone here has said-

Liz WantsHealthForAll
on 7/12/17 3:52 am - Cape Cod, MA
VSG on 03/28/16

Personally I do HAVE to count calories. I wouldn't stay on track if I didn't.

Liz 5'3" HW: 219 SW: 185 GW: 125 LW: 113 Desired maintenance range: 120-125 CW: 121

catwoman7
on 7/12/17 5:24 am
RNY on 06/03/15

I count calories as well. And protein grams. I don't worry as much about other things. Whatever works best for you is the way to do it....

RNY 06/03/15 by Michael Garren (Madison, WI)

HW: 373 SW: 316 GW: 150 LW: 138 CW: 163

Stacy_WLS
on 7/12/17 6:48 am

No. You don't HAVE to do anything.

What you should do is find out what works for you. Different things work for different people. If you can focus on protein and portion size and it works then do that. If it doesn't then re-evaluate and find something that does.

Counting calories worked for me. But I also find it healthy to step away from counting sometimes as well.

VSG: 12/12/13, LBL, small TL, BL/BA: 11/7/14 Twins 12/9/18 HW after Twins 260. 5'10 37 years old - Stacy_WLS (MFP)

Gwen M.
on 7/12/17 6:52 am
VSG on 03/13/14

As you can see, I am an outlier on this.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

MissNexxie
on 7/12/17 7:30 am
VSG on 04/30/14

It just goes to show how personal this journey is and how we must focus on what works for us, individually. It's definitely not one-size-fits-all but there is an underlying theme of awareness and tracking of some sort that leads to ongoing success. So interesting. That's what I love about these boards.

Surgery: April 30, 2014: HW: 288 SW: 250 Achieved Goal 149 lbs: April 8, 2015 CW: 158 lbs (working on losing 65 lb regain as of June 1, 2021. Weight was at 215 lbs). Fighting every darn day!

Gwen M.
on 7/12/17 7:31 am
VSG on 03/13/14

I agree!

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

dh101
on 7/12/17 8:52 am
VSG on 06/29/17

Also remember 4oz of celery is not the same as 4 oz of duck liver pate. Hence it is easy to limit volume or weight and still be way over in calories for what your body needs.

How you monitor your consumption is ultimately up to you. However if your goal is to learn and change your eating, then finding every trick and tool at your disposal is great.

Permanent change will require permanent modification of behavior. Surgery is just one tool but it will not result in a permanent change if you do not also modify your eating and exercise.

Best of luck. You can succeed.

It is better to travel and get lost...

Than never to travel at all.

Cathy H.
on 7/12/17 5:11 pm, edited 7/12/17 10:11 am
VSG on 10/31/16

Agreed, they are definitely not the same! 4oz of celery would go in my tummy...4oz of duck liver pate would go in the trash!! lol

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134 lbs lost since surgery, 195 overall!! Initial goal reached 9/15/17, (10.5 months)!
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