What do you consider a slider food?

Hi all I am 5 weeks post op and my doctor will pretty much let me eat most things.  However I want to be careful and not add back any food that isn't beneficial.  So I am curious what foods the veterans  consider slider foods

 

 

Thanks! 

The Pyloric Valve.....the most not talked about function that will answer a lot of questions.

If you understand the Pyloric Valve function......things will be a lot easier and explain why we need to do certain things.......


Post Date: 10/5/11 5:58 pm 
 

First, I'm not a doctor nor have I ever played one on TV.

This is a level one explanation.....there is more to it....but if you understand this....it will make some sense.

 

This may be old news to some..... But I've noticed a lot of people who have had VSG do not have any idea how the Pyloric Valve works.

 

This is my understanding how the Pyloric Valve works.

 

The Pyloric Valve function and how it pertains to your VSG.

 

The function of your Pyloric valve is the single most not talked about important part of understanding how and when you should eat and drink.

 

The Pyloric Valve is just that....It is a valve that is located at the bottom of your stomach/sleeve. This valve is in between your sleeve and the small intestine. The basic definition of a valve is an apparatus that opens and closes.

 

When open this valve it is about the diameter of a dime. When closed it's opening is closed down to the diameter of the head of a ballpoint pen.

 

Dense proteins and harder to digest foods will cause the Pyloric valve to close to hold the food in your stomach for pre-digestion...... stomach acids breaking down this "RoughÂ" food. 

 

That's why we are told to eat dense proteins first.....To close the Pyloric Valve so food stays in your stomach/sleeve longer so we have a sense of satisfaction.

 

It takes about 30-60 minutes for the food to clear the Pyloric Valve...... Than it's OK to drink.

 

That is also where the term slider food  comes into play. A slider food does not close the Pyloric Valve and as the term is intended.....food slides right past an open Pyloric Valve.

 

 

 

So now the other half of the Pyloric Valve function..... You eat a dense protein like chicken that causes your Pyloric Valve to close. Say for example your sleeve has a 4oz. capacity.....and you eat 4oz. of chicken.....your sleeve is full and holding all 4 oz. of chicken for pre-digestion because your Pyloric Valve is closed. 

 

So now try and drink something....where is it gonna go? Up.....Up until it hits another valve of sorts..... the Esophageal Sphincter (valve) and above that is a flapper valve. The function of these two valves is to hold food, bile and stomach acids in your stomach and not backing up into your air way. This is a very high pressure system. Thats why when you eat to much or drink after eating a hard to digest food and your Pyloric is closed.....It hurts cause you pressurized your intake track. Vomiting would be a natural pressure release.

So you can see how learning and understanding how the Pyloric Valve works is important as it pertains to eating and drinking with a Gastric Sleeve.

 

So that was kinda like VSG and the Pyloric Valve 101

 

As you get further a long you will want to use the Pyloric Valve in other ways to keep food in your sleeve longer to stay satisfied longer. 

 

A sleeve empties faster than a stock un altered full size stomach so sometimes it's beneficial for you to learn what foods stay in your sleeve longer to extend satisfaction.

 

Dense proteins are #1 in closing the Pyloric Valve. Chicken, steak, pork, fish.....in that order seems to be the way it goes for me.

 

Other foods that are hard to digest and help close the Pyloric Valve are foods like:

 

• Broccoli Stalk
• Asparagus
• Celery
• Cucumber with Skin
• Radish
• Cabbage (I'm testing this right now)
• Bell Pepper

 

So I hope you understand my 5 cent tour of the Pyloric Valve and how it effects the way we eat with a VSG and how important it is to work the Pyloric Valve to your benefit.

frisco

 

Great info thanks!

Helpful info - thanks!

I'm not a veteran, but I have had experience with slider foods and know what some of them are: Anything made with flour and/or sugar -- bread, crackers, pasta, cakes, cookies, pies, pastries, ice cream, candy. 

Foods like these not only slide easily through the sleeve, but also cause physical reactions in your body that make you crave more of them. Treat these foods like a recovering alcoholic treats alcohol -- vigilant avoidance.

Choose foods like those frisco outlined: dense, low-fat proteins (always eaten first during a meal) followed by small amounts of non-starchy vegetables. I also eat small amounts of fresh fruit, but in some people the fruit sugars trigger cravings. Your decision there.

 

psychoticparrot

 Thank you so much for asking this, I have seen that phrase all over these boards and never quite knew exactly what it meant.

I'm glad that Friso posted his Pyloric Valve 101 for you. It's really spot on!

I am rather an expert on slider foods (nothing to be proud of. believe you me!). As mentioned above foods made with refined flours and sugars, high sugar dairy products, chocolates and other candies all can be slider foods.

The dairy products makes sense because most of them become liquid in your mouth, even cheese. I never understood how cheese was filling for some people because for me it's always been a slider food - especially those cheese sticks (though I do like them).

Those foods that are solid, but also sliders are so highly refined that they, too, practically turn to a liquid in your mouth before swallowing. The more pre digested a food is when it hits the stomach the more easily it goes on through your sleeve and into your gut. In a sense the food just slides on through your stomach and are termed Sliders.

For me at this point (4 years out on Monday) slider foods would be ice cream, frozen yogurt, regular yogurt (but not Greek), most cheeses, all chocolates, all cookies, most baked goods including bread, mashed potatoes, mashed cauliflower, creamed or strained soups, and the famed Protein Bars (I've always been able to eat an entire Quest Bar - though I didn't try one until I reached goal weight).

I eat unprocessed meat and vegetables and berries every day, occasional other fruits, and Greek yogurt regularly. It helps to develop a repertoire of foods that fill you and satisfy you for several hours. As you go along, you'll discover what those foods are. Learn to make your lean meats and vegetables flavorful and emotionally satisfying. That is a good way to steer clear of those "tasty slider foods"!

Hope that helps.

 

CARBS! Esp evil white flour ones, aka the best tasting kind. :)

As a vet, over 5 years out, for me sliders are: carbs (crackers, chips, cookies, etc, but not so much bread as I do still have limits on how much I can eat. If I eat bread with butter or cream cheese, it becomes way slideable). Other sliders are rice, any drinkable high calorie beverage (just don't), some protein bars (Quest bars are fine, but others slide right on through). Also, Greek yogurt doesn't fill me up. So I don't eat it anymore. I do best with eggs (esp. mini egg muffins) in the AM. and I avoid most fruit, but do make an exception for raspberries when they are in season.

Follow Frisco's Pyloric Valve 101. There's a reason why he's been so successful.

Thanks everyone  for the awesome information

Thus helps a lot!

I'm only 4+ weeks out, but I find cottage cheese to be the exact opposite of a slider food. I can eat 2 or 3 small bites and I feel like I've eaten a meal. And I stay full for quite some time!