Terrified of Carbs

ElizaM
on 7/26/15 6:45 am
VSG on 07/24/14

I disagree that fruit is essential to good health. Prove it! 

Vitamins and minerals? I mean, here's the thing, you need vitamins in order to avoid nutritional deficiencies. The deficiencies we're most at risk for have to do with the fact that 85% of our stomach was removed, inhibiting our absorption of things like iron, calcium (both of which require stomach acid, and many of us are on PPIs for GERD post op), and b12 (requires "intrinsic factor" produced by the stomach). 

Meat is totally underrated as a source of vitamins and minerals. You know how you get scurvy? It's from eating nothing but hard tack. You don't actually need lemons or limes, you can prevent scurvy with fresh meat. 

Fiber is overrated. Claims that it prevents colon cancer turned out to be totally bogus.

No one needs carbs. Nope. You just don't. People can eat zero grams of carbs and do just fine.

Look, I'm a die hard gardener. I love vegetables for the variety and flavor they add to my diet. (I also have IBS so honestly, the fewer vegetables I eat, the better I feel.) I love the fact that many are low in carbohydrates and fit into my diet quite nicely as a result. But don't kid yourself. Fruit is optional for good health. If you have diabetes or insulin resistance, I'm willing to say that high sugar fruit is detrimental. Fructose is one of the WORST carbohydrates for us, and fruit is loaded with it.

   

32F 5'8" High weight: 432 | Consult weight: 396 | Surgery weight: 335 | Current weight: 170

psychoticparrot
on 7/26/15 8:56 am

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/517S.full

http://www.helpguide.org/articles/healthy-eating/healthy-eating.htm

http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/fruit-nutrition.html

http://www.med.umich.edu/umim/food-pyramid/fruits_and_vegetables.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/267290.php

http://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/LabelingNutrition/ucm063482.htm

http://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/LabelingNutrition/ucm063367.htm

http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/fruits-why.html

http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/vegetables-why.html

 

"Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead: How Fruits and Vegetables Changed My Life" by Joel Cross and Joel Fuhrman, M.D. (also a TV documentary)

"Eat To Live" by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.

"Eat For Health" by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.

"The Forks over Knives Plan: How to Transition to the Life-Saving, Whole-Food, Plant-Based Diet" by Alona Pulde, M.D. and Matthew Lederman, M.D.

 

Your proof, please?

 

psychoticparrot

IWANT2BEHEALTHY
on 7/26/15 8:57 am
VSG on 03/16/15

I was waiting for grim to chime in but Eliza beat him to it. I'm actually still trying to make sure I get all my protein in and have very few days where I can eat any veggies at all. I have gotten carbs from the small shredded extra sharp cheddar I have on my occasional burger patty. I love veggies and fruit but it won't fit that often in my tiny stomach.   One day...right? Thanks for all of the positive opinions on this board I know I'm not alone in this daily battle. 

Ht:6'5 Start weight 427, surgery weight=362 current weight 238 goal weight unsure?

Donna L.
on 7/26/15 11:28 am - Chicago, IL
Revision on 02/19/18

I ate zero carb for several months.  When I was over 700lbs, it helped me lose 100 in 3 months.  I had zero nutritional deficencies.

I just had my diabetes 2 officially revoked, so I am leery of eating fruit.  I never have been able to eat only one apple...I would eat 12.  So I am very reluctant to introduce super sweet food again.  I might take the ideas of berries or very low-sugar fruits, but I do not think I will ever be able to eat bananas or apples daily.

I like vegetables, but the sweet ones often prompt over eating, too, and have in the past.  Pretty much only unsweetened dairy and meat have not.  While the surgery seems to have adjusted my tastes a great deal and I haven't at all had the desire to overeat yet (which is frankly amazing), I'm still hesitant.  I'm also used to being VLC or ZC, so eating 50g of carbs a day seems like a huge amount to me.

I follow a ketogenic diet post-op. I also have a diagnosis of binge eating disorder. Feel free to ask me about either!

It is not that we have so little time but that we lose so much...the life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully. -- Seneca, On the Shortness of Life

Grim_Traveller
on 7/27/15 7:02 am
RNY on 08/21/12
On July 26, 2015 at 6:45 AM Pacific Time, ElizaM wrote:

I disagree that fruit is essential to good health. Prove it! 

Vitamins and minerals? I mean, here's the thing, you need vitamins in order to avoid nutritional deficiencies. The deficiencies we're most at risk for have to do with the fact that 85% of our stomach was removed, inhibiting our absorption of things like iron, calcium (both of which require stomach acid, and many of us are on PPIs for GERD post op), and b12 (requires "intrinsic factor" produced by the stomach). 

Meat is totally underrated as a source of vitamins and minerals. You know how you get scurvy? It's from eating nothing but hard tack. You don't actually need lemons or limes, you can prevent scurvy with fresh meat. 

Fiber is overrated. Claims that it prevents colon cancer turned out to be totally bogus.

No one needs carbs. Nope. You just don't. People can eat zero grams of carbs and do just fine.

Look, I'm a die hard gardener. I love vegetables for the variety and flavor they add to my diet. (I also have IBS so honestly, the fewer vegetables I eat, the better I feel.) I love the fact that many are low in carbohydrates and fit into my diet quite nicely as a result. But don't kid yourself. Fruit is optional for good health. If you have diabetes or insulin resistance, I'm willing to say that high sugar fruit is detrimental. Fructose is one of the WORST carbohydrates for us, and fruit is loaded with it.

I agree completely.

There are many here on OH years out from surgery that avoid fruit, or severely limit it, for a variety of reasons. It took them a long time to figure it out.

We are taught a lot of nutritional myths. Sooner or later evidence proved they were wrong, but many choose to continue believing them. It's like a bunch of 50 year-olds continue to believe in the tooth fairy.

6'3" tall, male.

Highest weight was 475. RNY on 08/21/12. Current weight: 198.

M1 -24; M2 -21; M3 -19; M4 -21; M5 -13; M6 -21; M7 -10; M8 -16; M9 -10; M10 -8; M11 -6; M12 -5.

AngelaLynn11
on 7/26/15 9:12 am

Check out Dr. Laura Hallberg concerning Low Carb Eating.  She also has a page on Facebook and posts a video blog about a new low carb topic each Friday.  This has been awesome for me! 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=sarah+hallberg+ted+talk&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002

Angela 

~Banded 7/2007, removal and revision needed.

    

HW 325; Lap-band 2007; LW 225; GW: 150

Donna L.
on 7/26/15 11:29 am - Chicago, IL
Revision on 02/19/18

Thanks!  I will definitely check it out :)

I follow a ketogenic diet post-op. I also have a diagnosis of binge eating disorder. Feel free to ask me about either!

It is not that we have so little time but that we lose so much...the life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully. -- Seneca, On the Shortness of Life

H.A.L.A B.
on 7/26/15 3:56 am, edited 7/26/15 3:57 am

I love fruits... Why? Because Ther are yummy... Sweet.. But I can't eat just 1/2 cup. If I start I want more and more.  So I decided to limit them.  They trigger my insulin, making me hungry.. 

Some fruits are on no-no list. Others - like berries - I eat occasionally. Once every few weeks.  For me - fruits are addictive due to sugar. If you like me- avoiding carbs is a way to prevent hunger returning in a full force. 

Good luck. 

Hala. RNY 5/14/2008; Happy At Goal =HAG

"I can eat or do anything I want to - as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences"

"Failure is not falling down, It is not getting up once you fell... So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again...."

Donna L.
on 7/26/15 11:30 am - Chicago, IL
Revision on 02/19/18

I binged on fruit just as easily as candy or any junk food.  They also made me endlessly hungry.  Berries I never have had issues with.  I will always eat low carb.  I suppose 50g is still low carb for most, but I will continue to talk to my counselor and the nutritionist about it.

I follow a ketogenic diet post-op. I also have a diagnosis of binge eating disorder. Feel free to ask me about either!

It is not that we have so little time but that we lose so much...the life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully. -- Seneca, On the Shortness of Life

H.A.L.A B.
on 7/27/15 4:54 am

I avoid most starchy veggies. I may have a bite. That's all, if any. 

I don't call beans, potatoes, corn, even carrots, etc veggies - I call them: starches. 

Hala. RNY 5/14/2008; Happy At Goal =HAG

"I can eat or do anything I want to - as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences"

"Failure is not falling down, It is not getting up once you fell... So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again...."

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