It's so hard to watch my mother kill herself..

chinasl45
on 7/19/11 1:04 am - Harrisburg, PA
I am sorry about your mom, I really am, BUT she is a grown woman and trust she knows what her weight is doing to her. No amount of begging and pleading from you is not going to make her change. My mom always said to me when I was in my 1st marriage (it was bad) "Everyone has their level of tired and **** wont change until you reach your level of tired". Ann was so right and it's so true. All you can do is just be there for her when she reaches her "level of tired" to help her on her journey.
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Lina P.
on 7/19/11 1:45 am - Bolton, Canada

You can't help someone who doesn't want to help herself, tessoro.

My heart goes out to you. xo

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Bigasiangirl
on 7/19/11 1:56 am
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Hey girl, reading your post breaks my heart.  I'm the only one overweight in my family.  You sound exactly what my parents and siblings have been telling me for years.  I have tears in my eyes thinking about how much they loved me enough to say something and be there for me as you are for your mom.  Unfortunately, I just wasn't ready until I was ready.  There was nothing they could do for me, I had to get here on my own.  Hopefully, your mom will be ready to change soon. 

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ahleeeshah
on 7/19/11 2:12 am
I take Ambien to sleep as well, and while I don't sleep eat, I can definitely attest to forgetting things the next day. This has more to do with Ambien messing with your short term memory than with anything else. I won't remember some of the things I said or did after taking it when I wake up (This resulted in me waking up topless and confused the other day, as apparently I had decided to touch up my nails after having sex and couldn't put my top back on because my nails were wet). My mom does sleep eat on it, and her husband says that while she's doing it she seems awake and is not too keen on handing the food over. My mom is very small, and she acts this same way.

While changing meds might not solve all of her problems, you might try convincing her to change her sleep medication. I have only ever taken Ambien, but hopefully some of the others don't cause what you are describing.
     
SassyItalian
on 7/19/11 2:56 am - Basseterre, St. Kitts and Nevis
thanks for all of the support, responses, and opinions..

i get frustrated because all she does is make excuses. that she cant have bariatric surgery because she could get a blood clot yada yada. shes a nurse mind you. i told her it was possible she will get a blood clot but likely her co morbidities will kill her..

i have a 400lb uncle that talked her out of lap band a few years ago, scaring her away from it (not for the logical reasons i know since i did research, for stupid uneducated reasons). i think it would take his inevitable early death to show her.

and it hurts my feelings she choses food over us. she says life is too hard, why would she want to live a long life.

she is aware of her ambien night eating and refuses to change meds, we have discussed it at length.

the more i write the more i see she is being stubborn as f*ck!  i guess there isnt much more i can do, my brother and i have interventioned her and the rest of the family doesnt agree because thier answer to everything is "diet".

oh well..

           
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Elleisa71
on 7/19/11 2:57 am
I know, for myself, I had lived that way for so long it became my normal. I slowly became basically housebound. It was, and still is, painful to walk, clean, function in any normal way. But it felt normal to me because it was my life. My sister talked to me after Easter and basically said, 'you're not going to be around much longer. we love you. don't let this happen." I am slowly beginning to change (just had my VSG June 14th), and change is so hard, especially in someone set in their ways. It FINALLY clicked with me that "once X happens" it might be too late to make any changes. I really wish I had the answer to help you. I had to be ready to change. It is hard, but the family that would bring me fast food is also the family that is encouraging me to eat right, move more, and so excited that the pounds are coming off!

She has to be ready to do it. You are a wonderful daughter for caring about her so much. Maybe you could just start by encouraging her to make one change at a time. Using the CPAP would be a good place to start. She will be able to get rest and think clearer. It took me a full month to work up to using it every night, but the sleep is sooo much better if she can just make herself tolerate it. I use the "nose" mask instead of the full face mask and it is not as constricting.

I'm so wish I had the answer because I feel like I know just what she is going through. Ultimately though it has to be her that is ready to change.
    

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DrHollywood
on 7/19/11 3:40 am - Harbor City, CA
Sorry Kristen!  I hope your example rings a bell in your mom.
I hope you get through this.  Also I support what everyone else says.
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sublimate
on 7/19/11 4:17 am - San Jose, CA
This happened with my mother too. We had so many talks about it. She told me she loved food and she didn't want to live a deprived life without experiencing the pleasure of food.  I wondered if she loved food more than me, and if she didn't see how deprived her life really was with her health issues.

She had a small stroke and small heart attack in her 50's before dying at her desk of a massive heart attack at the age of 60, right after going and eating at an all-you-can-eat Indian Buffet. I miss her more than I can say.  She was a wonderful, vibrant, intelligent, kind woman and I loved her with all of my heart.

I can tell you that having that experience is how I came to have the mindset of not feeling deprived when I choose NOT to eat unhealthy foods.  I saw what they cost my mother.. and there are not enough cookies in the world for me to want to leave this world too soon and leave my son without his mother.

I love living and my health and myself and my son too much to choose cookies over him.  Your mom's life is hard because she chooses to eat foods that depress her, give her pain and make her feel terrible.. it's so sad that she can't see the irony in that.

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on 7/19/11 9:28 am
Hey Sassy,
You have my sympathies.. I don't know how old your mom is.. mine is 69 and in a similar state, but with ciggs and diabetes added to the mess...

It sounds like since she is educated as a nurse, she knows the dangers of not treating her apnea. Also her comment about life being hard, why would I want to live a long life- sounds like she's battling a bit of depression too, which makes you stubborn as the effort just seems not worthwhile and frankly too daunting. 

I agree, if there is a way to at least get her started using the cpap, if it's uncomfortable, find other nose pieces/gear- some are more tolerable than others. Maybe you & your fam can come up with some encouragement goals/rewards to do something she'd like. That alone may improve her outlook..

The other- would she be at all open to talking to a Dr about therapy or short-term anti-depressants, or even herbal meds to help? 

Intervention, I personally would avoid.. it really does cause much more pain than many let on, and others are 100% right, she will not do it till she wants to, regardless.. and she may never chose to, and you need to be ok with this to as much as you can be. 

Having sick parents that refuse to help themselves is really really hard, but we both have to practice the "we are all competent adults and chose our own path with it's own consequences" mindset to stay sane. But I still would first try to figure a way to appeal to her nature to use the CPAP, and maybe try some mood-lifters, even St Johns wort or SAM-e. It may really help.






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