ABC's of Revision II Rny weight regain

ginau
on 2/10/08 12:23 am - mesa, AZ
Dr Schlesinger In one of the last O.H. magazines  there was an article  on Sclerotherapy to reduce the enlarged Stoma opening . How  much is this type of procedure being used ?  and Can it de done  when a  a Distal bypass revision is done ?  My understanding is that when the distal is done  only the intestine is adjusted  and not the Stoma ?  I am sure to bug you about this again at my next appt .
Dr.Schlesinger
on 2/11/08 1:48 am
The results with Sclerotherapy to reduce stoma size have been disappointing. As a result this form of treatment has fallen into disfavor and is not commonly performed.
Every case is unique. Procedures that increase restriction can be performed at the same time as a procedure that increases malabsorption. Whether both procedures are needed simultaneously depends on multiple factors. Any revision must be tailored to the individual's needs, situation, expectations and desires. Your revision surgeon should thoroughly discuss and explain all of this and more. Only then can you make your best decision.

Eric Schlesinger, MD, FACS
AZ Weight Loss solutions
kittyasuka
on 2/10/08 12:46 am - LA, CA
Dear Dr. Schlesinger I had my open RNY a few weeks befor my 18th b-day ( im 23 now). I was 434 and got down to 250 .  2 years ago i got a hernia (from the RNY) it was and is very painful. Its painful enough that i cant work or work out i eat healthy food 99% of the time, eat junk food maybe once a month but lets face it WLS is only a tool and in the past 2 years I was unable to work out. I have gained about 100lbs back. Befor the hernia i was always at the gym i would do cardio for an hr and weights for 30 min than back to cardio for 30 min i would do this m-f .  I have been trying for 2 years to get the hernia fixed and seen many drs. The sad thing is they dont want to fix it unless i lose weight. And some Dr's wont even see me because i have had gastricbypass. I know my stomach has streched and i NEED a revision but with out working i have medicade. any advice? Thanx  Kiamesha  [email protected]
Dr.Schlesinger
on 2/11/08 2:25 am
Kiamesha,      Have you been "following-up" with your bariatric surgeon. Far and away this is the best place to start. If you have not been seeing him/her; go back. Good luck, Eric Schlesinger, MD, FACS AZ Weight Loss Solutions
Renee M.
on 2/22/08 3:56 am
Dr. Schlesinger,        What sort of procedure do you recommend to patients who are 5 yrs out and have the weird scenario of their pouch being small (3.5 cm, I think) but their stoma being 3cm, too.  I've been scoped 3 times, and it's too small to fix w/ a lap-band (make me an "artifical stoma"), and I don't qualify for the new Rose procedure because my pouch is too small for that, too.  I have no idea how my pouch has remained so tiny, or what my original surgeon did, but it is so frustrating to have a tiny pouch with a "bottomless pit"...No one wants to go back and fix whatever he messed up, and it seems like every surgeon (I've seen a few) thinks it would be extremely risky to do a straight-up revision.  Insurance was going to pay for the lap-band thing, but I highly doubt they would  pay for any of this newer stuff, unless I could somehow prove that having a huge stoma was unhealthy (and I don't know if it is.)
Dr.Schlesinger
on 2/25/08 4:31 am
Nene,
You have asked several questions. In order to give a specific answer, I would need a lot more information. It would be preferable to conduct such a conversation in a more private environment.
Let me address your questions in a general fashion. I hope that you and others will find this helpful.
What can be done for weight regain after a Rny with a normal/small pouch and an enlarged stoma. First a decision regarding what is the target of the revision.
If it is restriction that we wish to address; the safest procedure would be Stomaphyx. Unfortunately, as of today, no insurance policy covers the Stomaphyx procedure.
The other option would be to increase the malabsorptive component of your Rny. In most cases this can be done with an acceptably low risk. The surgeon would "move your Y downstream". Of the two options, increasing the amount of malabsorption would likely result in the greatest weight loss. Will this be covered by insurance? Maybe. It depends on many factors, including policy exclusions, amouint of weight regain, re-emergence of comorbidities, etc. This goes beyond what can be easily answered here.
If you would like to discuss the specifics of your case, you may call my office @ 480-419-2280.

Good luck! Never give up!

Eric Schlesinger, MD, FACS
AZ Weight Loss Solutions
Ms. Cal Culator
on 2/25/08 11:27 pm - Tuvalu
OR...instead of throwing good money after bad and tweaking something with the results the RnY has (and waiting until...what...it needs tweaking again?)...a patient might want to consider a revision to a more effective procedure.  Perhaps one that doesn't involve a stretchy pouch or a stoma, thus eliminating two of the three reasons listed above which might be the cause of weight gain. http://www.duodenalswitch.com http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/DS/a,messageboard/board_id ,5357/ We have several people on the OH DS board who have successfully revised from the RnY to the DS.  Interested parties might want to at least ask a few people who have been through the procedure how it's working for them.  (One hint as to how it works is that you will seldom if ever find a DS patient here on the revision board looking for a more effective surgery.) Sue
LeaAnn
on 2/26/08 3:01 am - Huntsville, AL

Thanks, Sue!  Furthermore:

Duodenal Switch: Revision Considerations

Patients with other failed or complicated weight loss operations may benefit from revision/conversion to Duodenal Switch. LapBand patients with inadequate weight loss or other complications can be revised to Duodenal Switch, as well as patients with gastroplasties. Patients with Vertical/Sleeve Gastrectomy can be fairly straightforwardly converted to Duodenal Switch, as Vertical/Sleeve Gastrectomy is one component of Duodenal Switch already. Gastric Patients may require revision to Duodenal Switch not only for inadequate weight loss, but for severe dumping syndrome and marginal ulcers as well.

 

 

 

Duodenal Switch

The Duodenal Switch procedure (also called vertical gastrectomy with duodenal switch, biliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch, gastric reduction duodenal switch, DS, BPD-DS, or GR-DS) is an operation that is performed by only a minority of bariatric surgeons. It generates weight loss by restricting the amount of food that can be eaten through a reduction in stomach size, by limiting the amount of food that is absorbed into the body through a re-routing of the intestines, and by a metabolic effect induced by manipulating intestinal hormones as a result of intestinal re-routing. It is a more involved procedure because it has a significant component of malabsorption and metabolic effect - achieved by the intestinal bypass effect of the duodenal switch component of the operation - which acts to augment and maintain long-term weight loss. The overall effect is that patients are able to engage in fairly normal, free eating, while having the benefit of taking on the metabolism of a lean individual.

 

A The stomach is trimmed to a 3-4 ounce volume, preserving its natural inlet and outlet ( the pylorus). Trimming the stomach results in a temporary restrictive effect on eating for several months, which then reverts to normal, and decreases the incidence of ulcer formation as well.
B The small intestine that the stomach normally empties into (the duodenum) is "switched" to the downstream portion of the small intestine (the digestive limb-D). The outflow from the duodenum, carrying the digestive juices and enzymes (but no food) becomes the bilio-pancreatic limb (C) utilizing approximately 60% of the small intestines length.
D The digestive limb takes up approximately 40% of the small bowel length, and most of this length is upstream from where the biliopancreatic limb deposits its juices to allow for the absorption of fats, starches, and complex carbohydrates.
E The common limb, being the portion of intestine where both food and biliopancreatic outflow meet, is made up of the most downstream 100 cm of small intestine and is the only portion where absorption of dietary starches, fats, and complex carbohydrates occurs. The capacity for absorption reaches a maximum within several months after surgery and cannot be over eaten, resulting in long term sustained weight loss..
F The gallbladder and appendix are removed.

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Duodenal Switch: How it works:

Restriction (Vertical/Sleeve Gastrectomy): The stomach is restricted in size removing the vast majority of its volume. This is done by cutting away the left-hand side of the stomach in an up-and-down fashion. This reduces the stomach down from a 1-2 quart bag to a long skinny tube. This part of the procedure is not reversible; once this part of the stomach is removed from the body, it is gone forever. The stomach that remains measures from 3 to 4 oz. (90-120cc) in size. There are other aspects of how this portion of the Duodenal Switch procedure works to create restriction, which can be found in the description of the Vertical/Sleeve Gastrectomy procedure. The amount of restriction that patients experience changes with time. This is a process known as pouch maturation, and it is a process that is, for the most part, complete at 9-12 months after surgery. The stomach seems very small immediately after surgery - which helps to jump start weight loss - and stretches out to the point that patients report being able to eat only one-half to two-thirds the amount of food that they were able to eat prior to surgery. Since the stomach basically functions like a normal stomach, but only significantly smaller, patients are able to eat a wide variety of normal foods. With this configuration, it has been my observation that patients are able to follow the diet that has the best of all possible cir****tances: they are able to control their intake while, at the same time, limit their intake to the healthiest of foods. Unlike Gastric Bypass, patients with this procedure are generally able to eat beef, steak, pork, stew meat, and other dense proteins without difficulty. These sources of protein are among the healthiest of protein sources, and this anatomic configuration allows patients the freedom to engage in the healthiest of eating habits. I say "allows", for with freedom comes responsibility, and the freedom to engage in free-eating needs to be accompanied by a devotion to eat in the healthiest way that our bodies allow. In essence, one has the ability to have dietary restriction in a way that allows for healthy eating in a way that they can realistically live with long-term.

Malabsorption (Duodenal Switch, Common Limb Effect): The intestines are divided and rearranged to separate food from the digestive juices, therefore creating malabsorption. The part of intestine that carries food - the food or alimentary limb - is attached to the duodenum and receives food from the stomach. The food limb is less than half the length of the total amount of intestine in the body, and consists of the downstream part of the intestine. This part of the intestine reacts differently to food than the upstream part of the intestine, which is bypassed. The bypassed part of the intestine carries digestive juices from the liver and the pancreas, but no food. This bypassed part of the intestine - which consists of over half of the length of the total intestines - joins up with the food limb for only the last 75-100cm (about 3 feet) of intestine known as the common limb. This common limb is the only part of the body that is capable of absorbing complex carbohydrates, starches, and fats. Since the patient's body is absorbing nutrients over only 40% or so of the total intestinal length, the patient's body works to be as efficient as possible in absorbing nutrients. As efficient as the human body can be, however, there is only so many calories that can be absorbed through a 75-100cm length of intestine. The excess of ingested fats and starches - which cannot be absorbed - are excreted from the body and passed in the stool. With appropriate eating, most patients have anywhere from 2-4 bowel movements per day. With increased intake of indigestible starches and fats, patients can have may more bowel movements per day.

Metabolic Effect: In addition to the effect of dietary restriction and malabsorption, Duodenal Switch has a metabolic effect to affect weight loss and improvement in health as well. The portion that food passes through - the alimentary limb - has the ability to absorb protein and sugars. This portion of intestine also has the ability to secrete a hormone - GLP-1, or Enteroglucagon - in the presence of undigested food. Since this portion of intestine is presented to undigested food earlier on as a result of the anatomic re-arrangement induced by Duodenal Switch, secretion of GLP-1 is enhanced. Enteroglucogan (GLP-1) has the effect of suppressing the secretion of insulin in response to a carbohydrate meal, resulting in a lesser amount of ingested carbohydrates being converted to body fat.

The portion of intestine that is bypassed holds an important role as well. Enterogastrone is a hormone that is secreted by the upstream small intestine when food passes through it. This hormone has the effect of converting food to fat. When the upstream portion of the intestine is bypassed - as is the case with Duodenal Switch - enterogastrone secretion is suppressed. The effect of this bypass is that the patient's body after Duodenal Switch has less of a tendency to convert food to fat.

 

Duodenal Switch: Balancing Freedom and Responsibility

A simplified way to explain the sum of these metabolic effects is that the patient after Duodenal Switch takes on the metabolism of a lean individual. We all know people who are able to eat large amounts of food, and yet are able to maintain a lean physique. These people have a metabolism that tolerates a sizeable caloric intake without resulting in obesity, yet their bodies are able to maintain normal protein levels and keep from becoming malnourished. Patients undergoing Duodenal Switch are able, for the most part, to eat normal amounts of food, but they must eat healthy foods if they are to keep from becoming malnourished. Duodenal Switch patients can't eat junk food all day and expect to remain healthy; with the freedom they have in eating freely, they must exercise responsibility in order to keep from becoming malnourished. Most patients after Duodenal Switch take in anywhere from 80 to 100grams of protein in their diet each day in order to remain healthy. You can't get this level of high quality of protein eating junk all day, but if one chooses to after Duodenal Switch, they can, due to the relatively ability to eat freely.

How Do We Decide How Long To Make Each Intestinal Limb?

Deciding how much intestine to bypass, how much to carry food, and how much to allow for mixing of food and digestive juices, is a process that has evolved with our understanding of how the Duodenal Switch procedure works. Most surgeons typically make the food limb 150cm, and the remainder of the intestine - however long it may be - to carry the digestive juices. While this "one size fits all" approach works well for most patients, it is possible to customize the limb lengths to fit the characteristics of the individual patient. We have had good results using "proportional limb lengths" in Duodenal Switch procedures. The entire intestinal length is measured at the time of surgery, and the lengths of the individual intestinal limbs determines based on this total length. Within certain parameters, the total food and common limb length - added together - is roughly 40% of the total intestinal length. The remaining 60% of intestine carries the digestive juices. The common limb by itself is roughly 10% of the total intestinal length. The rationale for using proportional limb lengths is to maximize weight loss while at the same time minimizing protein-calorie malnutrition and other malabsorptive complications. Minor variations to these limb lengths can be made based on other individual characteristics of the patient.

Duodenal Switch: Risks and Complications

As a general rule, the greater the magnitude of the surgery, and the less healthy the patient, the higher the risk of surgery. In the spectrum of weight-loss operations, Duodenal Switch is the most aggressive, and, therefore, has the highest potential for complications. These potential complications include leaks, blood clots forming in the legs, blood clots traveling to the lungs (otherwise known as pulmonary embolus), infections, abscesses, bowel obstruction, pneumonia, and problems with healing of the incision. Other possible complications include kidney failure, injury to the spleen (requiring its removal at the time of surgery), and bleeding. Some patients may need to spend extra time in the ICU as a result of these complications, or if their underlying health is marginal to begin with.

Some complications are more long term, and are not manifest until some time after surgery. These are nutritional and vitamin deficiencies, which may be for the most part preventable with proper supplementation. Deficiencies in protein, vitamin-D, vitamin-A, iron, and calcium can occur, resulting in osteoporosis, anemia, and generalized poor health. Patients undergoing Duodenal Switch should be vigilant in taking their vitamin and mineral supplements, eating a high-protein diet, and having their blood tested on an annual basis.


JRinAZ
on 2/26/08 12:43 pm - Layton, UT

You said:  "throwing good money after bad"????   While the DS certainly gives many people a better quality of life and  has incredible potential for success; I can't sit back and let some of you DS'ers present the DS as if it was without possible complications.  .....  You may not see any DS'ers on this Revision forum because they are hanging out on the yahoo group for DS Problems!   I hate to bring up any of the awful possibilities as a result of a DS because everyone's results may vary.  However, I would hate someone on "this" forum to think that the DS may answer each and every problem concerning food and losing weight that they have ever had! There are sooooooo many fantastic DS post-ops that have been giving me help, information, and support that I would never put down their surgery or them in a zillion years.  .....  Just wondering why a handful of you feel the need to come on so strong on this forum?  I"Ve seen your call to arms on your DS forum to "pay it forward!" ??? I doubt that means to slam others in the process? You promote the DS'ers as being able to eat anything?  What happens when you eat fat?  HOw about when you eat simple carbs?  .....  There are definitely consequences!    .... I love when everyone shares information about their choice and how they came to that decision but puting down other's choices comes across as if they do NOT have a brain and have not done any research for themselves. .....like I tell my kid's....there's a nice way and a mean way to say things..."

Ms. Cal Culator
on 2/26/08 2:43 pm, edited 2/26/08 2:45 pm - Tuvalu
Yes, throwing good money after bad! When someone pays for a surgery that works for a while and then stops...there's your "bad."  And then to pay more money (there's your "good") to have some other (temporary?) fix instead of REASONABLY considering that the best predictor of future success is past success and that it's time to move on...is not terribly wise. I don't much care what you think of me.  But I've had a revision.  I've paid for a failed wls.  I have a position from which I am entitled to speak.   Aren't you the one who works for a bariatric surgeon and runs a support group and is a patient there and a poster here and none of that is supposed to cause you any conflicts of interest?  Right.  I never said anything about your surgery choice...but once ANY procedure is a failure...why would anyone want to go do it again?  Sue
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