GO AHEAD....BEAT ME UP!!!

boysclub
on 8/21/07 11:26 am
Post Date: 8/21/07 6:12 pm I had a revision from lap-band to rny 1/9/07.  Background:   I had the band for four years and had a plethora of complications: broken port, slipped band, hiatel hernia. .  I initially lost 100 lbs., but 40 crept back on when I had to unfill the band due to reflux, etc. Since RNY:  I have lost only 50 lbs.  Started at 275 and am down to about 224.  I have been in a holding pattern for close to two months. Almost since the beginning I have been able to eat way too much food.  The surgeon told me he had to make my pouch slightly bigger because of scar tissue.   However, it seems to me it is WAY bigger than what I read about.  I can easily eat a whole sandwich w/ chips or a six inch sub or two slices of pizza, pasta--no problem.  I can usually eat a moderate amount of sugar very comfortably  I do not seem to be very restricted at all.  If I "overeat" I dont feel well and I almost always stop before that happens. BUT, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS SURGERY IF I COULD EAT PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER I WANT???? I seem to be testing the limits all the time now because I am so disappointed that my intake is not restricted.  Is this mental sabotage or is the surgery failing me?   Is it normal to be able to eat alot?  I know I am breaking rules, but my pouch doesnt dish out any consequences.   Today I really pushed the limits.  I ate: Early morning-AchievOne B-Whole Lg.  Bagel w/ cream cheese and coffee L-! Slice pepperoni pizza and 5-6 miniature snickers w/ diet coke S- 1 nectarine and a handful of almonds D-3 oz pork, 1 cup couscous, 1/2c peas and carrots, 2 soft breadsticks w/ butter w/ few sips diet coke S- Glazed Donut & milk HELP!  HELP!  HELP!!!!!!!!!!!

tina01
on 8/21/07 11:36 am - Wilmington, DE
I can eat what you listed in a heartbeat.. and then some.  I also have re-gained 40#.  I asked a while ago if anyone could eat a whole hamburger, got a few responses, but I thought I shouldn't be able to.  Still don't know.  I agree with your statement "what was the point..etc".  Ultimately, it is always back to the diet and exercise monster.  I think most of us thought we wouldn't have to live like that after the surgery, but.. seems we do. I wish I had more advice for you other than take care of yourself. T
LizaMay
on 8/23/07 3:15 am
Can I ask what type of RNY you had?  Was it proximal, Medial, or distal?  I have the lap band and have a distal RNY scheduled for 9-4.  I shows the distal because it was the most invasive of the rnys and allowed for the most malabosorbtion.  I just sat in a nutrition class with a gal who was going from the proximal bypass to the distal bypass.  Good luck to you!  I would be upset too and I hope I have more restriction that that or I am screwed!:-)  Take care  Lisa
Proud Military Mom
on 8/23/07 11:44 pm - Reno, NV
Looking at what you are eating I am asking.. why are you eating snickers and glazed donuts? Just because you "can" eat some sugar doesnt mean you shoudn't. A little here a little there turns into a lot here a lot here etc etc..Are you drinking with your meals? because that could be why your able to take in more... Other than those two things I dont see where your eating way to much... what abou****er between meals? I know that helps me in the long run not eat a lot at meals.. But I am not going to beat you up we all tend to do that good enough to ourselves.. I had my first surgery in 12/04.. lost over 100lbs then stopped.. the one thing I am very proud of in all of it is I never once ate anything with sugar... I knew it was a weakness so I didnt touch it.. and God knows if I found out that I didnt dump.. games over..  Then I had my revision.. I had reasons other than pouch failure for it... but one day I tried sugar.. I dumped and wont touch it again.. and since my revision so many things that didnt bother me now bother me..   but anyway...  a group on the friends and family board is doing the pouch test...  maybe this will help you get back on track??  Good luck !!!

Monday, August 13

Five Day Pouch Test

 

Does my pouch still work? Have I broken my pouch? Have I ruined my tool? These are questions many weight loss surgery post-ops find themselves asking occasionally during their journey. Perhaps it feels like we can eat more food or we know that we are eating more food. Sometimes these questions are asked when there has been a weight regain. Today I present a 5-day plan that I have developed and used to determine if my pouch is working and go back to that tight newbie feeling. And a bonus to this plan, it helps one get back to the basics of the weight loss surgery diet and it triggers weight loss. Also, it is not difficult to follow and if you are in a stage of carb-cycling it will break this pattern. Sounds pretty good, right? Here we go! Days One & Two: Liquid Protein The first two days are all liquids. You can have as many low-carb protein shakes as you like to satisfy hunger or cravings. In addition drink at least six 8-ounce glasses of water each day. The purpose of all liquids is to break any snacking, grazing or processed carbohydrate habits. In addition the liquids will work to cleanse your system and prepare you for the following three days. Try to reduce your caffeine intake as well, but do not stop caffeine cold turkey or you will feel sick and frustrated potentially losing the desire to continue with the pouch test. If you notice symptoms of carbohydrate withdrawal you can eat a small piece of melon or an orange. You can also try a dose of Emergen-C which should reduce headache, dizziness or cramping from carbohydrate withdrawal. The next three days you get to eat as much as you want as often as you want! Ahhh, but there's a catch: it has to be solid protein and you only get 15 minutes each time you sit down to eat. Day 3: Soft Protein Protein Recommendations: canned fish (tuna or salmon) mixed with lemon and seasoned with salt and pepper, eggs cooked as desired seasoned with salt pepper and/or salsa, fresh soft fish (tilapia, sole, orange roughy), baked or grilled, and lightly seasoned. This starts your program with "soft" protein. Measure your portion (1 cup volume or 4-6 ounces weight) and eat only until you feel full, not overfull. Remember, no water for 30 minutes before or after you meal, and no fluids with your meal. We are going back to the beginning and fluids will prevent you from feeling the pouch. If you need to add a bit of Miracle Whip or mayonnaise to the canned fish I understand, but keep it to a minimum so the meat is not too moist. One reason we lose the sense of tightness in our pouch is that we eat "slider foods" - foods that are too moist and do not stay in the pouch very long, they slide right through the stoma. Day 4: Firm Protein Protein Recommendations: ground meat (beef, turkey, lamb) cooked dry and lightly seasoned, shellfish, scallops, lobster steamed and seasoned only with lemon, salmon or halibut steaks, grilled and lightly seasoned. By now you should be experiencing that familiar tightness that will reassure you that your pouch is working. Remember to drink plenty of water between meals. Take some time to meditate and rediscover the wonder of your pouch. Often we don't like that uncomfortable tightness of the pouch, which is why we gradually move toward slider foods that don't make us uncomfortable. It is always my preference to eat moist protein so I don't get uncomfortable, but this allows me to consume more than I should. Rediscovering the pouch with this 5-day plan reminds me of how the tool really works. I hope by now you are rediscovering your tool and enjoying the hope and excitement because your pouch still works. A word about constipation: A shift to high protein diet often results in constipation. To relieve this you may try adding a fibrous fruit snack to your morning and a fibrous vegetable snack in the afternoon. Fruit suggestions are apples, berries, apricots, cantaloupe or oranges. For vegetables try leafy greens, zucchini, cucumbers, spinach, summer squash or string beans. Day 5: Solid Protein Protein Recommendations: white meat poultry cooked dry and lightly seasoned, beef steak (if tolerated) grilled or broiled. Remember to chew chew chew. Measure your portion (4-6 ounces) and eat only until you feel your pouch tighten. Remember, only 15 minutes per meal, so you'll have to work fast to chew your food completely. By now you should be out of any carb cycle you were in and perhaps you have lost a pound or two. You will have new confidence in your pouch and your ability to work the tool for your health and emotional well being. Good luck! I believe you are going to like the results when you give this plan an honest try. Tomorrow I'll write about re-entry into a healthy eating plan that will allow you to take advantage of this pouch test and return to a weight loss surgery way of life.

 

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