Fiber &carbs. do you subtract?

rocky513
on 4/29/15 1:24 am - WI

Here is a Nice, simple explanation of why carbs make you fat.

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chulbert
on 4/29/15 1:27 am - Rochester, NY
RNY on 01/21/13

The laws of physics say this is impossible.  Also meat causes your body to release insulin.  In fact, some meats cause a greater insulin response than foods that contain carbohydrates.

Grim_Traveller
on 4/29/15 1:31 am
RNY on 08/21/12

The insulin response to meat, fats, and various types of carbs is very different. Meat does not trigger the same insulin response than the carbs in potatoes, bread, or Hershey bars. No one got Type 2 diabetes from eating meat.

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chulbert
on 4/29/15 1:35 am, edited 4/29/15 1:36 am - Rochester, NY
RNY on 01/21/13

I'm sorry but that's simply untrue.  Dietary fat and obesity (via the spillover effect) are major causes of insulin resistance.  Intramyocellular fat inhibits muscle's sensitivity to insulin.

Grim_Traveller
on 4/29/15 2:44 am
RNY on 08/21/12

I disagree. I have seen plenty of studies that show this is untrue.

It used to be almost universally accepted fact that dietary fat caused high cholesterol, but that is no longer true either. All the newest studies demonstrate that high cholesterol is a result of arterial inflammation resulting from prolonged over-consumption of simple and processed carbs.

The human body does a much better job of processing fat and protein than most of the carbs people eat today. No, I do not refer to the carbs in cauliflower and carrots. I mean the carbs people actually eat.

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Highest weight was 475. RNY on 08/21/12. Current weight: 198.

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chulbert
on 4/29/15 2:53 am, edited 4/29/15 2:58 am - Rochester, NY
RNY on 01/21/13

I don't think you have, plus the newness of a study has no bearing on its quality.  If so, please source.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/diabetes-as-a-disease-of-fat-toxicity/

http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/

For context, nutritionfacts.org is run by a physician, Dr. Michael Greger, without any vested interest in products or industry, whose entire career at this point is poring over the entire body of research into human nutrition.  Not a "blogger," not a "nutritionist."

jubjub
on 4/29/15 4:18 am - Palm Desert, CA
VSG on 06/25/12

This was published by the British Journal of Sports Medicine last week:

"A large econometric analysis of worldwide sugar availability, revealed that for every excess 150 calories of sugar (say, one can of cola), there was an 11-fold increase in the prevalence of type 2 diabetes, in comparison to an identical 150 calories obtained from fat or protein. And this was independent of the person's weight and physical activity level; this study fulfils the Bradford Hill Criteria for causation. A recently published critical review in nutrition concluded that dietary carbohydrate restriction is the single most effective intervention for reducing all the features of the metabolic syndrome and should be the first approach in diabetes management, with benefits occurring even without weight loss."

Citation: http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2015/04/23/bjsports-2015-094911.full

Additional research citations for backup for the opinion cited in article.

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chulbert
on 4/29/15 5:49 am - Rochester, NY
RNY on 01/21/13

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Availability is different than consumption.

jubjub
on 4/29/15 5:56 am - Palm Desert, CA
VSG on 06/25/12

So you're claiming that bottles of coke sitting in the store, "available," is driving obesity - and not the consumption?

Bizarre.

 

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chulbert
on 4/29/15 6:15 am - Rochester, NY
RNY on 01/21/13

I'm saying you don't know how they're being consumed and that limits the conclusions you can draw.  If you want to know the effect of foods then you probably want to know who's actually eating them in what patterns and whether it's applicable to the larger population.

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