Pysch Eval

Jennifer G.
on 11/11/09 11:49 pm
Ok so today i had my pysch eval.. I thought no problem however the Dr. said i have codependency issues. I am not an alcholic or drug abuser at all.. And he wrote i may be at high risk for depression afterwards. And suggested I go to counseling.. I am so anxious that this is gonna stop my surgery. Has anyone had the same thing happen to them?? Pls any help to reassure my mind would be greatly appreciated.. Ohh and he did say I was able to sign my own consent forms and that basically that is the dr is looking for.. Because they want my money.. I dont feel that way about my Dr.. I believe if he felt i wasnt a good candidate he would refuse me. Wow this is so stressful and a very long process.. And I did schedule and appt with a therapist for next week. And i will get the counseling.. I will do whatever it takes to have this done and get healthy.. Sorry for babbling.. Jennifer    
Jennifer G.        
deb_t
on 11/12/09 4:49 am - RI
I didn't have anything similiar happen, but I think it's good that you are proceeding with the counseling.  We all need to remember that WLS doesn't help our heads at all -- that's what I'm finding the most challenging.
Debbie 



Includes 47.5 lbs. lost during 7 month pre-op period
Johanna !
on 11/12/09 10:58 pm - Formerly known as jdcRI, RI
Codependency does not mean you are an addict.  It is about relationships with others... this could be for validation, self worth, money, living situations, etc.  You could be the enabler or the receiver.

So basically he passed you for surgery, but is warning you of issues you may face and suggested counseling.  MANY people have unresolved issues after WLS and get messed up in the head.  Having the counseling would be beneficial and I suggest you follow the doctors recommendation.

Here is a defenition and description - good info:



Codependency or Codependence describes a pattern of detrimental behavioral interactions within a dysfunctional relationship, most commonly a relationship with an alcohol or drug abuser.[1] In general, the codependent is understood to be a person who perpetuates the addiction or pathological condition of someone close to them in a way that hampers recovery. This can be done through direct control over the dependent, by making excuses for their dysfunctional behavior, or by blunting negative consequences. These actions are described as enabling.

Codependence is not listed in the DSM IV, and critics have suggested that codependency as commonly defined is not a mental disorder.[2] Others describe codependency as a psychological disease.[3]

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[edit] Symptoms

Symptoms of codependence may include controlling behavior, distrust, perfectionism, avoidance of feelings, problems with intimacy, excessive caretaking, hypervigilance, or physical illness related to stress. Codependence is often accompanied by clinical depression, as the codependent person succumbs to feelings of frustration or sadness over their inability to improve their situation.

  • tendency to place the needs and wants of others first and to the exclusion of acknowledging one's own
  • continued investment of self-esteem in the ability to control both oneself and others
  • anxiety and boundary distortions relating to intimacy and separation
  • difficulty expressing feelings
  • excessive worry how others may respond to one's feelings
  • undue fear of being hurt and/or rejected by others
  • self-esteem dependent on approval by others
  • tendency to ignore own values and attempt to adhere to the values of others

[edit] Treatment

Individuals who are suffering from codependence may seek assistance through various therapies, sometimes accompanied by chemical therapy for accompanying depression.

In addition, there exist support groups for codependency, such as Co-Dependents Anonymous (CoDA) and Al-Anon/Alateen, Celebrate Recovery, Nar-Anon, and Adult Children of Alcoholics (ACoA), which are based on the twelve-step program model of Alcoholics Anonymous. Although the term codependency originated outside of twelve-step groups, it is now a common concept in many of them.[4]

Many books have been written on the subject of codependence. Pia Melody (Facing Co-dependence) and Shirley Smith (Set yourself Free) Melody Beattie was one of the first to describe such behaviors. She is the author of Codependent No More among many other volumes.

[edit] Controversies

  • Caring for an individual with a physical addiction is not necessarily synonymous with pathology. To name the caregiver as a co-alcoholic responsible for the endurance of their partner's alcoholism for example, pathologizes caring behaviour. The caregiver may only require assertiveness training skills and the addict accountability in taking responsibility for managing their addiction, or not[5][6].
  • Not all mental health professionals agree about codependence or its standard methods of treatment [7]. It is not listed in the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic manual. Stan Katz & Liu, in "The Codependency Conspiracy: How to Break the Recovery Habit and Take Charge of Your Life," feel that codependence is over-diagnosed, and that many people who could be helped with shorter-term treatments instead become dependent on long-term self-help programs.
  • Some believe that codependency is not a negative trait, and does not need to be treated, as it is more likely a healthy personality trait taken to excess. Codependency in nonclinical populations has some links with favorable characteristics of family functioning [8].
  • The language of symptoms of and treatment for codependence derive from the medical model suggesting a disease process underlies the behaviour. There is no evidence that codependence is caused by a disease process, communicable or otherwise.
  • Some frequent users of the concept codependency use the word as an alternative to use the concept dysfunctional families, without statements that classify it is a disease.[9]
  • Not everything promoted by recovery agencies is a demonstrable scientific fact, some of it is based on fashion and faith alone [10][11].
  • People who have experienced natural disasters, life threatening illness or accident, and personal and community tragedy have been found to perceive a benefit from the ordeal such as positive personality changes, changes in priorities and enhanced family relationships [12]. Caring for survivors serves a worthwhile ethic of empowerment - both for the caregiver and the survivors.
Johanna - like Joe-on-uh, or that movie, Juwanna Man!  


 

        
Jennifer G.
on 11/12/09 11:24 pm
Well, Thank you for your response!  I guess I do have some codendency issues..  I would think that alot of ppl do...  I am the enabler, so to speak...  And I am gonna start the counseling. I already scheduled my first appt for next Wednesday... I want this so bad, so I will do whatever it takes to get healthy..  But thanks again.. I am so glad I found this website, it  has been so helpful. Now just waiting to finish the supervised weight loss portion..  Hopefully will be done by January.. Then the hardest part, getting the insurance to approve... 
Jennifer G.        
Johanna !
on 11/13/09 12:17 am, edited 11/13/09 12:18 am - Formerly known as jdcRI, RI
I think a lot of people do also... I just am guessing the types would affect outcomes... Like I always put my kids needs before myself - as a mom that is my job... but some women would probably put everyones needs before theirs all the time and that can cause issues whith surgery because you really HAVE to take care of yourself.

It is not considered a psych disorder (at the bottom of the info I posted it stated that in some situatiions it is a good thing too!), so I think that is why he could not exclude you from surgery... he just recommended counseling for your own benefit.  Maybe you can decide with a counselor different situations and whose needs should be met first or something.  All that matters is that you are putting YOUR needs first by taking his advice!! See you are getting better already LOL!

When did you atrt checking into WLS?  It took me 9 months from start to finish - plus I researched on and off  (I was undecided) for about a year beforehand too!


ETA

I know that depression can accompany it because as an enabler, you take on a lot of stress and stress is a huge factor in depression... I am in school right now, studying nursing and we were taught that many mothers and women in general suffer from depression due to stressors.  Like wanting to take care of everyone, having to be the "helping" friend, wife, mother etc.  All the roles can wear a person down.  This is a very common thing -so do not feel broken!
Johanna - like Joe-on-uh, or that movie, Juwanna Man!  


 

        
Jennifer G.
on 11/13/09 12:35 am
Johanna you are right on the money!!  I am always putting my kids needs ahead of my own.. ( that is what mothers do)..  I have started my journey in July.. However like you I have gone back and forth for years and even went to Dr. Pohls seminar probably like 4yrs ago now.. And I wasn't ready them.. However I am now.. I had one set back which was my company being sold, and them changing insurance to one that doesn't cover gastric bypass.  So we jumped on my husbands (Aetna) and they require the supervised weight loss, first!  So I am doing that now. I am being followed my the nutritionist in my surgeons office.. Who i have to say is Fabulous!! 
The policy bulletin for Aetna says 3 months supervised weight loss with a multidisciplinary team or 6 months with a PCP.. I shooting for the 3!  Keeping everything crossed they approve it.. I have been attending support group meetings and now the counseling..  So hopefully all goes well.. .And tonight is my last sleep study for the titration part and i am done with all testing.. Phewwwww thank god....  Thanks again... And congrats on your progress!!!
Jennifer G.        
Johanna !
on 11/13/09 12:45 am - Formerly known as jdcRI, RI
Thanks - it is so worth the wait, the stress, and the work!!
Johanna - like Joe-on-uh, or that movie, Juwanna Man!  


 

        
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