Sorry guys
I can't speak for other insurance companies or weight loss hospitals but I had Aetna and went to Barix - Aetna required a 3 month diet and exercise routine along with regular visits to a nutritionist at the same time - and believe me it was all well worth it - it still took me longer than 3 months to get to my actual surgery date, but when I did I was very well-prepared with what to expect.
The staff at Barix is phenomenal and their nutritionists are always available to talk to - I think the question of vitamins comes out to be a personal choice one - I started out with chewables at first, but once I could tolerate tablets I take them now and have no problem with absorption, but unfortunately a lot of other people do so they tend to stick with the chewables or ones that dissolve. And sometimes the questions are really just which ones taste better and are easier to digest.
Your surgeon and his team should be able to answer your questions, but if you can't get to them immediately there is always someone lurking out here to help. Even with all the information I received from my nut and doctors I still had questions that I wanted people who have actually experienced this surgery answer.
This board is amazing and the support and education provided here is priceless. And trust me, I've done my fair share of whining about dumping, foamies and other issues, and even tho we're warned ahead of time about these things we still make mistakes - we're not perfect - but we are here for each other.
The staff at Barix is phenomenal and their nutritionists are always available to talk to - I think the question of vitamins comes out to be a personal choice one - I started out with chewables at first, but once I could tolerate tablets I take them now and have no problem with absorption, but unfortunately a lot of other people do so they tend to stick with the chewables or ones that dissolve. And sometimes the questions are really just which ones taste better and are easier to digest.
Your surgeon and his team should be able to answer your questions, but if you can't get to them immediately there is always someone lurking out here to help. Even with all the information I received from my nut and doctors I still had questions that I wanted people who have actually experienced this surgery answer.
This board is amazing and the support and education provided here is priceless. And trust me, I've done my fair share of whining about dumping, foamies and other issues, and even tho we're warned ahead of time about these things we still make mistakes - we're not perfect - but we are here for each other.
'One shoe can change your life'...Cinderella
Hi
this NUT JOB did have a very good surgeon and nutritionist, she was done at Barix in LAnghorne and was whinning from the beginning. her Dr. told her she had to quit smoking and she didn't want to she wanted to know how the Dr. could tell if she was still smoking. she almost cancelled her surgery pre-op cause she didn't think she could do it
The program that she had is very good we have pre-op support groups and post-op support groups and you can call the nutrionist or Dr. at Barix with any questions even if you are 5 or 10 years out our Dr. and nutritionists are there for us forever, her Dr. even gave her ,her private cell phone number to call with any questions or problems. so it is not anything that her Dr. didn't tell her or the program didn't tell her. she is from upstate NY and probably came down here because no one up there would deal with her cause she is NUTS
What DR. gives out there private cell phone number to patients, Dr. P. does she is there for her patients but this NUT JOB chose not to call the Dr. or Barix cause she knows she is wrong and just wants people to feel sorry for her.
DON'T FEED INTO HER
Pam you said nothing to apologize to her for.
IF YOU DON"T WANT TO HEAR THE ANSWER THEN DON"T ASK THE QUESTION
this NUT JOB did have a very good surgeon and nutritionist, she was done at Barix in LAnghorne and was whinning from the beginning. her Dr. told her she had to quit smoking and she didn't want to she wanted to know how the Dr. could tell if she was still smoking. she almost cancelled her surgery pre-op cause she didn't think she could do it
The program that she had is very good we have pre-op support groups and post-op support groups and you can call the nutrionist or Dr. at Barix with any questions even if you are 5 or 10 years out our Dr. and nutritionists are there for us forever, her Dr. even gave her ,her private cell phone number to call with any questions or problems. so it is not anything that her Dr. didn't tell her or the program didn't tell her. she is from upstate NY and probably came down here because no one up there would deal with her cause she is NUTS
What DR. gives out there private cell phone number to patients, Dr. P. does she is there for her patients but this NUT JOB chose not to call the Dr. or Barix cause she knows she is wrong and just wants people to feel sorry for her.
DON'T FEED INTO HER
Pam you said nothing to apologize to her for.
IF YOU DON"T WANT TO HEAR THE ANSWER THEN DON"T ASK THE QUESTION
Pam,
You have no reason to say sorry all you did was be honest and it was not rude at all. When someone makes post about not following rules and gives excuse after excuse why on a regular basis only makes sense we give honest feedback. Then wash our hands of it you can not help the unwilling.
The follow up post showed the type of person we are dealing with here. Not only was it disrespectful to so many here that tried to help her time and time agin but showed a huge lack of respect for herself.
Rational people to do not go off like uneducated gutter mouths when people try to help them...
You have no reason to say sorry all you did was be honest and it was not rude at all. When someone makes post about not following rules and gives excuse after excuse why on a regular basis only makes sense we give honest feedback. Then wash our hands of it you can not help the unwilling.
The follow up post showed the type of person we are dealing with here. Not only was it disrespectful to so many here that tried to help her time and time agin but showed a huge lack of respect for herself.
Rational people to do not go off like uneducated gutter mouths when people try to help them...
Pam,
The only person that needs to be sorry is that psycho that thought she could break us down by those horrific posts. WOW is all I can say. I'm sorry any of you guys had to go through that. If you can't take tough love, then this is no place for you. We need tough love to keep us on track. We need to be told like it is. There's no harm or foul in that. You were just speaking your mind and the truth. And some people, one in particular, can't handle the truth!!! Don't be sorry, girlfriend!!! You keep on with your tough love...I can take it :)
xoxo
The only person that needs to be sorry is that psycho that thought she could break us down by those horrific posts. WOW is all I can say. I'm sorry any of you guys had to go through that. If you can't take tough love, then this is no place for you. We need tough love to keep us on track. We need to be told like it is. There's no harm or foul in that. You were just speaking your mind and the truth. And some people, one in particular, can't handle the truth!!! Don't be sorry, girlfriend!!! You keep on with your tough love...I can take it :)
xoxo
Karen 
Pam, your words were right on. Thanks for your candor yesterday.
I think this person was/is looking for "support" on her own terms, without accountability. Not gonna happen, no way no how.
As a relative newbie, and a patient of Dr. P., I am irritated that she is not taking advantage of the great resources available to her through the Barix program. I DO hope that Dr. P. or her staff members are monitoring the threads. And I too wonder how she made it through a psychological assessment.
(BTW, QD's profile talks about how wonderful and supportive of her weight loss her husband is. I'd bet a nickel she goes off at him regularly! The issue there is, most likely, not about weight loss.)
But I also think we'll see her again....
I think this person was/is looking for "support" on her own terms, without accountability. Not gonna happen, no way no how.
As a relative newbie, and a patient of Dr. P., I am irritated that she is not taking advantage of the great resources available to her through the Barix program. I DO hope that Dr. P. or her staff members are monitoring the threads. And I too wonder how she made it through a psychological assessment.
(BTW, QD's profile talks about how wonderful and supportive of her weight loss her husband is. I'd bet a nickel she goes off at him regularly! The issue there is, most likely, not about weight loss.)
But I also think we'll see her again....
Y'know, when I first met this group, people kept referring to the "Mean Girls" and I was a bit apprehensive about what that meant. Sounded an awful lot like the exclusive clique of girls who managed to torment me throughout middle school and high school.
Then someone explained to me the "mean girls" concept - that when you care about people and their success, you don't lie to them and you don't sugarcoat the truth. That you can care enough about people's success to be "mean" to them and say the things they really don't want to hear.
I've been trying very hard to follow that philosophy in answering questions on the board and at support group meetings. To remain respectful, but to be honest.
That's what I saw in your response, Pam. Unfortunately, honesty can hurt at times, especially if we're so immersed in depression, mania, or withdrawal (from sugar, carbs, or anything!) that the pain and horridness of that feels like reality.
You didn't do anything wrong, and Dee lashed out at all of us who were trying to help with honesty. It's now her burden to either take and act on the input she's received, or to reject it and continue on a path of self-destruction. But don't feel you need to apologize for the commotion. You aren't the one who caused it, and I think it was actually a positive and important reminder to all of us that this is NOT an easy journey and is not one to be taken lightly. And it's one that sometimes has heavy costs associated with it, when we don't have a significant support system in place and when those we rely on (family, spouses, etc.) actively work against us.
Dee does not deserve to be made fun of, though - she's a human in tremendous pain right now, lashing out from that pain. Doesn't mean that any of us deserved to be talked to that way, certainly not excusing that... but mean-spirited responses mocking her need for mental health help is not going to encourage her to reach out and get the help she seems to need. It will only make the stigma worse for ALL of us who may find assistance from a counselor or psychiatrist or medication to be helpful in our lives. I felt that SOME of the postings (not yours, Pam) strayed too far into mean-spirited personal attack responses, and that drags us all down.
There are no winners in exchanges like this.
Karen
Then someone explained to me the "mean girls" concept - that when you care about people and their success, you don't lie to them and you don't sugarcoat the truth. That you can care enough about people's success to be "mean" to them and say the things they really don't want to hear.
I've been trying very hard to follow that philosophy in answering questions on the board and at support group meetings. To remain respectful, but to be honest.
That's what I saw in your response, Pam. Unfortunately, honesty can hurt at times, especially if we're so immersed in depression, mania, or withdrawal (from sugar, carbs, or anything!) that the pain and horridness of that feels like reality.
You didn't do anything wrong, and Dee lashed out at all of us who were trying to help with honesty. It's now her burden to either take and act on the input she's received, or to reject it and continue on a path of self-destruction. But don't feel you need to apologize for the commotion. You aren't the one who caused it, and I think it was actually a positive and important reminder to all of us that this is NOT an easy journey and is not one to be taken lightly. And it's one that sometimes has heavy costs associated with it, when we don't have a significant support system in place and when those we rely on (family, spouses, etc.) actively work against us.
Dee does not deserve to be made fun of, though - she's a human in tremendous pain right now, lashing out from that pain. Doesn't mean that any of us deserved to be talked to that way, certainly not excusing that... but mean-spirited responses mocking her need for mental health help is not going to encourage her to reach out and get the help she seems to need. It will only make the stigma worse for ALL of us who may find assistance from a counselor or psychiatrist or medication to be helpful in our lives. I felt that SOME of the postings (not yours, Pam) strayed too far into mean-spirited personal attack responses, and that drags us all down.
There are no winners in exchanges like this.
Karen
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